Thread regarding Juniper Networks Inc. layoffs

Connedtrail was a classic Silicon Valley insider get rich scheme. Move along.

That’s pretty funny that you think that. Contrail is a great solution - as soon as we can find a problem that it addresses, I’m sure it will be the next big thing.

Networking is just the plumbing and all of the advancements are at layer 7. No one needs a complicated system to architect a data center overlay or a guaranteed path to the public cloud. Everyone just needs a good internet connection. AWS/Azure/Google Cloud can do the rest.

Contrail is as big a disappointment out of silicon valley, as bad-blood theranos. Both companies duped millions out of investors.

@YJBZO6s-6kiv your are a very funny guy!

I thinking that Contrail best SDN out there. If Juniper build on top of ATOM with Kubernetes then all cloud companies will buy it to run their data centers. Also we have lots of Google guys who can help sell it to them.

LOL no way.

Juniper ‘engineers’ products for service providers, not enterprises because they believe it’s easy to scale down for them . What rubbish. To be the next big thing the enterprise market will be crucial, but I have not had a meeting in 5 years where they want to manage their private clouds, google, amazon and azure cloud infrastructure under one solution.

Contrail, as the name suggests, has fulfilled it's promise by leaving a trail of cons. Negatives. Lies.

Contrail was started on a lie. They delivered nothing but lies before the acquisition. They delivered nothing but lies after the acquisition.

You can't blame the shareholders or employees for being fooled by contrail. You have to hold the leaders who bought into the lies of contrail responsible for the giant loss of over $170M+ on that massive waste on a dumpster startup.

If the leaders keep pumping money into a set of products that are driving Juniper down into it's grave, don't employees and shareholders have a right to hold them responsible?

Let's stop this mess. RR and his execs need to get booted. Who is with me?

According to some forum analyst @SKJV1nA-9bon, Contrail will bring JNPR to $100 once Google deploys it. Now I guess it is just a matter of convincing Google to pull the trigger, and it should be simple, right? LOL.

Contrail people are probably leaving for the same reason everyone else is...failure to execute at all levels. Not really that hard to figure out.

If Contrail was the purported "next big thing" as you say, then why have so many employees left this group (i.e. and not from layoffs)?

If people within the group think Contrail will be a game changer, then attrition wouldn't be so high, yes?

Cloud connectivity is solved by transit VPC solutions like aviatrix. Contrail is still trying to solve this cumbersome oldschool ip/mpls overlays that are beating down the wrong path.

Contrail is a liability for juniper - not the savior you want it to be. Sorry - not going to happen.

Juniper is done.

But what problem do you think Contrail solves for the average enterprise? Just because I am using multiple cloud environments it does not follow that I need a network overlay to rule them all.

I am not saying the product does not solve some problems, but the idea that Contrail will be a mass-market proposition in the way NSX is I am struggling to see.

Openstack!?! That’s a howler. Openstack is on the decline. Anyway, regarding Contrail. . . It is possible that it can turn around Juniper within the next few years. Not sure if it’s likely but it is possible.

A lot of tough GTM issues here. SEs don’t know it that well. And AMs wouldn’t know Contrail from Kon Tiki. Easier said than done but a hardcore execution guy running the SE org plus a willingness to invest some resources and time selling it just could work. At this point I’m starting to think it’s our only hope.

Lots of interest, tied to Openstack, which is also a lot of interest. I think it could explode with 5G edge computing solutions, but who knows.

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