https://www.republicreport.org/2018/students-sue-dream-center-over-false-claim-that-school-was-accredited/
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Still too funny - yes there are rules and regulations -- but there are also those who blow them off - that's the problem with a crooked college administration - not made up - hard core fact -- end of discussion.
Boy, a lot of misinformed people posting on this or people making assumptions. By law a student has 7 days to withdraw without owning a dime. If the school wants to extend that time it may at its own discretion. If a student leaves for any reason the tuition is pro rated for time enrolled and the remaining funds must be returned to the lender, minus administrative expenses within 48 hours of withdrawal. So no, a school can't charge for time not physically enrolled. End of discussion!
My original reply was to 3ydu and the outrageous and completely untrue statement that people who "sign on the dotted line ... put themselves and their children on the line for $100,000." That's just absolute rubbish.
Hate for-profits all you want, but don't lie to make your points. Nobody, anywhere, who signs up to take classes at a for-profit college is on the hook for the entire program. Ever.
I can’t speak for online classes, but after the first week of classes (add/drop week) students are charged for the courses they are enrolled in.
Yes, you can attend ONE class and be charged if you fail to officially withdraw from the class because you will otherwise be withdrawn after failed attendance.
You have a week to make a decision about courses. This information is available in the student’s paperwork.
Cover my tracks? What tracks would those be? You literally have no idea what you are talking about 7moz. Please bring these "people you know" and have them post the invoices for the classes they DID NOT ATTEND (they can black out their names) but somehow have to mysteriously pay for.
You won't do it because it doesn't happen. And anyone telling you it does is lying straight to your face. I can hear it now:
"Oh I know that happens. It happened to ME! I got a bill for $15,000 and I only attended one night of class a year ago."
Riiiiiiiight.....
Imagine a state/system that would allow someone to sign up for a year of classes (or an entire four-year program) who takes one class and leaves because they either don't like the program or they become ill, or move out of state, or whatever. And then you think that person is liable to pay the full amount of the program. Are you insane? You actually think that happens?
There are plenty of legitimate beefs that people have with some for-profit schools without making stuff up.
7oxs. Too funny. Wrong again. You are just trying to cover your tracks. Let's just bring a few students on here so u can tell them they don't get charged. Get ready to be tar and feathered.
7oxs. Too funny. Wrong again. You are just trying to cover your tracks. Let's just bring a few students on here so u can tell them they don't get charged. Get ready to be tar and feathered.
No, it is you who are WRONG (look, I can use capital letters, too!!)
No one is EVER on the hook for classes they don't "complete" (this definition varies from state to state). Most are if you complete 3 of 5 weeks, you have to pay.
And NO ONE is liable for an entire program if they sign up. Ever. EVER!!!!!!!!
Wow, that was fun!!!'
@WvBxCYC-4ysx Nice try, but you’re either ignorant of what is going on at Ai or a blatant liar trying to prep yourself for advancement with DCEH.
If a student posts at AiO they are charged for the full course of a student sits for a class at a campu they are charged. Admissions gets credit for an add and faculty and staff get a hit when a student doesn’t continue but should get praise since the student has to retake the class for more money.
4ysx WRONG!
I personally know students who have been charged
There is nothing inaccurate about David's article. DCEH had multiple conference calls with the HLC accredited schools and several departments at corporate where "leadership" directly told all involved to not say anything to the students or the faculty. This all could have been avoided if it were not for their arrogance, ignorance, and greed.
No, if a new student posts one time online, they are not responsible to pay for anything. There is a 21 day rule. If you continue in the class, past week 3 (of 5), then you owe for the course.
Even a continuing student does not pay the entire cost if they only post once.
What... I thought each student was another consumer! Man I b stewped
@WvBxCYC-3tpc sounds like something an associate dean would say or a lead trying to vie for a future position in admin who thinks they have a future with DCEH would say. If a student sits for one class, or posts one post online, they are responsible to pay for the course. Students trying to leave are enrolled without their knowledge and charged for it, it is about sales not about education.
3tpc not true - talk to any student and you will learn otherwise
@2Mys: Students are not "on the hook" for $100,000 when they sign on the dotted line. Far from it, in fact. Any student at a for-profit college can leave any time they like and only be liable for "services rendered," meaning classes that have actually been completed (or some fraction thereof).
Take one class at a school and don't like it? You are free to leave and you only have to pay for the one class that was completed.
Could it be that people (employees and students) are upset about companies like DCEH because each student signs on the dotted line, putting themselves and their families on the hook for $100,000? The profit isn’t going to new technology and equipment, raises for staff and faculty in order to be competitive, or even the programs. The money is funneling out of each school into the pockets of corporate.
Since we’ve announced for-profit status and have continued to bring in new students, our full time faculty has been laid off, our technology embarrassingly outdated, our campuses gutted, and every possible class being crosslisted or offered as an “independent study” while students are charged more than they were prior to all of the changes. They were told that equipment is replaced frequently and that software is kept current, and that they’d have access to everything they’d need to succeed in the program, yet the money never trickles down.
Universities charge less and have real campuses, dorms, sports teams, and a college atmosphere. Students can at least see where their tuition goes.
We haven’t fixed a broken toilet in four years. Even the sign on the door has given up and just hangs in defeat.
Maybe, just maybe, that’s why people have a problem with companies like this, all politics aside.
@WvBxCYC-2mys Uh, what? You realize the education at edmc and DCEH schools is nothing but non essential rubbish? Nothing socialist about the degree programs they’re all pseudo capitalist majors (pseudo because very few actually make a graduate capital as a career choice).
Nice idea about public schools but seriously DCEH doesn’t have that kind of depth.
Hey you who claim that "socialists" have destroyed career education: It's the private equity and Wall Street owners of EDMC, ECA, ITT, and other for-profit chains who have consistently demanded that they receive taxpayer dollars for their "private sector" businesses without any performance or accountability standards. These self-styled capitalists depend almost entirely on public money.
And, no, I've never once posted on The Layoff anonymously. So you sad people (paid PR drones, deluded cogs, or owners) who keep accusing me of that, why don't you identify yourselves?
Trump and DeVos are the biggest socialist I know
I can't believe that there are people defending the public universities that have become nothing more than indoctrination camps run by socialist professors and administrators. Why do you think they are so against private education? Has nothing to do with the money but all to do with what students are being taught.
I wonder how manybof these anon posts are really david halpern furthering his own cause.
Sounds like something someone who thinks “there should be a Care Bear in every presentation” would say.
The legitimate posts are from students and staff current and past and anyone who has ever been in the system below the level of admin hears the truth and pain in the posts.
I wonder how manybof these anon posts are really david halpern furthering his own cause.
I cannot believe that there are still people defending this group of art and career schools that became a criminal enterprise, an organization that has been influenced by a den of thieves: Goldman Sachs, Jock McKernan, Todd Nelson, Michael Clifford, and numerous "disruptors" in the education business.
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/09/education/09forprofit.html
“Defendants John Doe 1-10 are officers and directors of one or more Defendants.”
I wonder who the 10 will be?
Not a rumor.
https://www.nsldn.org/blog/students-sue-dream-center-illinois-institute-of-art-for-hiding-loss-of-accreditation
Womp wompppppp
You are the one making things up, Anonymous @WvBxCYC-ezm. I have been in direct contact with current DCEH employees whose information in the past has been entirely accurate, and they are the ones telling me this information, not anonymous posters on this site.
Halperin's article seems to be using these anonymous posts as source's...so much for investigative reporting, or journalistic integrity...just go straight to the rumor mill, and call it a quote...way to go David...you learn that trick at Yale?
I'm posting information I have received from multiple DCEH employees because I think on balance it is better for people to be aware of the possibility, given that DCEH has repeatedly concealed critical information from students, faculty, staff, and others, and people have suffered from being kept in the dark. I have asked DCEH and people connected with DCEH for comment and haven't heard back.
David,
Are you posting "rumors" on here to get views of your articles?