Heard rumor that if we can not launch HAMR by end of this year. then the team will be affected by layoff. Any people heard similar rumor? Hope that's not true.
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Hamr is way behind schedule for two reasons:
1) Finance geeks run the company, not engineers. They have no real idea what a product launch takes (but are now finding out.)
2) Experienced and expensive engineers and scientists have all been fired, so more money can flow to the finance geeks, who don't a BNC connector from their buttthole.
There may be other reasons.
They've been planning to extend fabs in Seagate Springtown for years.This same rumour does its rounds every couple of years.Its all bullsh1t.What about the story of building carpark?? The rumour of acquiring a new building for more offices?? The laughable story of the "robot" for interfab trolley.They're all just sh1tty rumours from sh1tty people in a sh1tty factory.
hamr is coming and plans are in place to expand fab in springtown
get ready fols cause its hamr time, cant touch this
You're welcome.
For all the talk of doom and gloom, Seagate stock has done awesome. Keep up the good work.
@TUXREIc-6osi...No there isnt.Dont lie about being lots of tools being installed in springtown.Old tools are being replaced because theyre obsolete.
Write once - read many is exactly what most of the Facebook data looks like. HAMR will be a huge success for use where most of the data resides today, in the cloud. Think Netflix, how many writes to reads are there for a movie? One. Those heads will last forever in this environment.
Lots of hamr tools being installed in springtown
Well fine, you're a troll. Either move on or quit your job.
Demise of “doubters” would seem unwarranted on the basis of recent HAMR mythology:
Mar 2012 (R Pimentel): ..Seagate has built 1Tbpsi HAMR drive and expects to ship first HAMR drive in 2014…
Sep 2014 (D Mosley): …initial integration of HAMR drives to start in 2016…
May 2016: …Seagate expects to ship first HAMR drives with capacities of 14-16 TB in 2017…
Nov 2016: …16TB/3.5in/8platters-16heads HAMR drives expected to ship in 2018…
Mar 2018: …multi-actuator HAMR drive with 20+TB capacity to ship in 2020, followed by 30+TB in 2021-22 and 40+TB in 2023…
May 2018 (D Morton): …HAMR drives with capacities of up to 24TB to launch in 2019…
Furthermore, assuming that dreams can also come true at places other than Seagate, then if WD’s MAMR myth (certainly more appealing than HAMR from reliability, technology integration complexity & manufacturability perspectives) morphs into reality next year (production ramping to start in 2019, presumably), HAMR would be effectively doomed, i.e., forever confined to the world of mythology….
Thor gonna lay the HAMR on the doubters
HAMR does work, but the problem is the intense heat generated by the laser to reduce the coercivity of the magnetic material on the disk so you can write to it also presents a long-term reliability risk for the recording head. You can get a HAMR drive to work, but the life of the recording head depends on how much writing you do to the disk. I've heard it suggested that most applications for high density drives only involve writing the majority of the data to the disk a single time, and the rest of the time, you're simply reading the written material, which doesn't involve use of the laser. This would mean that the recording head reliability isn't as bad of a problem as suggested.
The spot size of the laser on the disk will impact how many tracks have their coercivity reduced. If the stray fields from the recording head are wide enough, they can potentially overwrite material on an adjacent track. Since shingled magnetic recording pushes tracks closer together, it increases the risk of this happening.
Seagate has been talking about HAMR for a very long time, and we're just seeing the possibility of HAMR making it into a product, It speaks to the complexity and difficulty of this technology that Seagate engineers have struggled with over the years.
What stage is STX HAMR? I heard temperature is still an issue. Re-write is going to affect the performance. Remember how management said shingles recording is going to save STX?
HAMR threat confirmed. Let the blame game commence. Good luck everyone.
AAaaand out comes the corporate shill to try and put a brave face on things...
I pity these laid off fools coming back to the site to troll and hoping to relish in the misery of Seagate and it employee. Move along. Seagate is doing well and HAMR is progressing well. It is already delivered to customer and performed well in all tests. Necessity is the mother of all invention. The world needs (cheap) storage, therefore the world needs HAMR. There are no other viable alternatives. SSD: still expensive, 3DXP: still unreliable, probably worse than HAMR, MRAM: pipe dream, expensive, MAMR: well it is WD vaporware to keep employee moral high and investor satisfied.
So much baloney here. HAMR is going to be fine. Get on with your lives if you were already laid off.
HAMR has been dead in the water since they realised that they cant get it to happen.A lot of resources in man hours and money has gone into HAMR in the last few years and its still not near where Seagate thought and hoped it would be.Heads will roll and as we all know,it wont be management heads rolling.
Seagate executive management has invested not only a significant amount of money into HAMR, but social capital with the investment community. The analysts EXPECT that Seagate will eventually get HAMR into products and thereby extend the areal density curve. Because of that Seagate executives will never admit to HAMR being a failure. They will continue to put money into it until their bluff is called. The only real way that happens if WDC manages to get MAMR into a released product. If that happens, then Seagate management faces a "put up or shut up" scenario. Cutting HAMR staff would be a tip off that something is wrong, so it won't happen.
In other words, there will be a layoff at the end of the year.
I heard that threat was issued as well. I get a chuckle and shake my head when I hear the announcements of a product in 2019. It's been a purely faith based assertion it can be productized. We MUST be almost ready by now, right? Some executives said so. HAMR is enshrined technology at Seagate and so can't be fundamentally flawed at all. You will find out if you dare question it publicly internally even a tiny bit. Some PhD think tank as infallible as the Pope said so. If there is a fail to deliver then the flaw must be the people unable to get it working. So, yeah this rumor seems very credible that the people that will get canned are ones tasked to "just make it work".