Thread regarding ITT Educational Services Inc. layoffs

Now that is funny! Pogo stick repair! Well played!

Take a job, b--ch and complain about it, talk about how unethical the school is, blame everything on Carmel (where ever the hell that is) but keep doing it. Amazing! The only people that have a legitimate complaint are students (me) that were deceived. Instructors, recruiters, Deans, etc..., you knew what you were getting into and are part of the problem. Maybe if you were doing your job instead of b--ching like 12 year old girls, I wouldn't have been screwed!

I called ITT. You lied. They don't offer pogostick repair. Sadness is consuming me. :(

"Why are deans, chairs, instructors, reps, and career services staff CONSTANTLY fired in VERY LARGE numbers system-wide every year?"

Good question. Is it just complete incompetence on the part of Modany and his sycophant crew or is it a deliberate strategy to undermine any possibility of academic independence? Either way it is the kind of thing that ACICS should have regulated against but ACICS always seemed pretty toothless in that regard.

Here's what can happen when ITT employees get involved--be sure to archive your emails, files, memos and other documents--you may get some big $$$ in return

http://news.morningstar.com/all/market-watch/TDJNMW20160815329/beauty-school-must-pay-11-million-in-federal-fraud-case.aspx

Why do they try to avoid having you speak with current students? Why are deans, chairs, instructors, reps, and career services staff CONSTANTLY fired in VERY LARGE numbers system-wide every year?

Probably HQ worries staff will get too savvy as to what is really going on & spill the beans!

Our campus had about 7 deans in 8 years, multiple directors, a handful of career service heads, too many instructors & reps to even begin to count them all. A true cannon operation: load up, fire & let them splatter the students progress on the way out.

@3vnu

You seem to forget that a lot of this board is comprised of current and former employees of the school and we know a standard HQ answer when we see it.

That has always been HQ’s problem. They sit so high up on their high horses they don’t know what is going on at a campus level and when their big plans fail, they want to blame the employees. Everyone at HQ is so far removed from the students it is crazy! They have no clue as to what the students truly want and need. Yea you have the student surveys but when you have Directors going in there telling them what to put and give everyone passing remarks, what is the point?

And then a lot of BS that goes on that gets rolled out at the last minute and then want us to roll out a month before the new quarter starts? Once again, if it fails, it is the employees fault. And that Employee Satisfaction survey was a complete joke. A big joke.

A lot of this goes BEYOND doing unsuspecting prospective students, former students, current and alumni wrong. Very Beyond!

"There are many success stories and that's what people should focus on. If it's not for you, fine"

--If you were talking bout a freebie program, great. However, when thousands (or tens of thousands) of dollars are are on the line, this statement is false. "if its not for you, fine"--if not, why does ITT call 3 times a day week after week, when you tell them you are not interested? Why do they strong arm you into signing up & applying WITHIN AN HOUR of your FIRST visit? Why do they try to prevent you from visiting other colleges to pick the most suitable program for you? Why do they try to avoid having you speak with current students? Why are deans, chairs, instructors, reps, and career services staff CONSTANTLY fired in VERY LARGE numbers system-wide every year? Does that sound like they "do everything they can to help them succeed"

"Yes, ITT Tech is a good school when you have the right instructors and programs that are suppose to work, actually work. "

Which means in effect that ITT Tech is a terrible school because:

A) They don't pay enough to keep good instructors

B) They don't look after their labs properly or make sure that labs work well

C) They push their "degrees" on students who won't or can't do the work

D) They get rid of instructors whose "pass rates" are low despite the implications of C) above

E) The entire admin operation is run like a cult much to the bewilderment of the adjuncts who pass through the system

@IRMahuY-3vnu

You're full of sh-- you ITT pole smoker. I put in YEARS, I had almost perfect grades which is hard when you work full time the entire time you are going to school. I had tons of labs that just plain didn't work or were so old that they were useless but I still tried. I had a dic---ad teacher that gave us all bad grades because one kid didn't show up for a programming project - everyone else's parts were there and worked perfectly. Despite all of this, I have spent most of the time since I went looking for a job. Employers laugh if you have ITT on your resume. Most won't even bother to call you back. I got twice the interest since I removed it.

Yes, ITT Tech is a good school when you have the right instructors and programs that are suppose to work, actually work. However when you have some really stupid people up at HQ and at the campus level taking advantage of students. Than the goodness the school had at once disappears. ITT focus more on numbers and how much money they can scam from Innocent people then they do on up to date material and computer systems that are worth the money students pay to learn there.

They care only for one thing and that is recruiting people who are techno challenged and have never touch a computer in their whole entire life. Also, when the students who did put the effort into learning and trying to understand what they learned go out here in the real world to get a job. No employer wants to touch them all because ITT has some of the worst reputation for turning out students who don't even know how to build their own network or open a computer up and identify the components inside the computer case.

"ITT is very involved with their students and do everything they can to help them succeed."

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. The only thing I saw ITT do to help students "pass" was to block instructors who actually fallowed the academic standards which the curriculum require. They do that on the basis of BS average pass rates which they pull out of their asses.

ITT Tech was driven into being an overpriced diploma management by the current management and their Kool-Aid drinking campus directors, regional directors etc. .

ACICS should really interview former teaching staff - that would be an eye-opener!

"ITT is a good school for those that are interested in technology. "

*insert sarcasm Thank you comment from HQ!

ITT is a good school for those that are interested in technology. Whatever you read about anything you will have good and bad reviews. The students get what they put into it. There are many success stories and that's what people should focus on. If it's not for you, fine, but ITT is very involved with their students and do everything they can to help them succeed.

Isn't it funny how ITT tries to deflect the blame. Where is the outrage from people who went to ASU or U of U screwed by $100,000 of high interest predatory loans?

Revenue and numbers are king at ITT Tech. They have hard stats on the revenue that pogo stick repair generated in the past. Sell more!

" that ploy about lazy students doesn't address the heart of the issue."

...that is certainly true. While some are actually fairly lazy, maybe just barely making it out of high school, or barely getting a GED. What is probably just as insidious are the enrollees who never became "actual students" in the first place...they had little/no interest in the school, or that particular job field in the first place. They are bombarded 3 times a day for months with a high pressure pitch to sign up for "something". Hey you NEED to enroll in pogostick repair. What? no interest? Don't you realize you can qualify for $30000 in govt money due TO YOU? Doesn't pogo stick repair actually sound pretty good? Hey, try pogostick repair, lots of people signed up last quarter and LOVE it. We can have you start tomorrow & get the money flowing. WHAT, Billy attended pogostick repair for 3 weeks never did one assignment, then never came back? Unbelieveable how these (lazy) students drop out of our pogostick repair program.

During class introductions I asked one student what made him so interested in getting his computer networking degree & much to my surprise he told the whole class that he wasn't interested at all, he wanted to become a firefighter, but ITT didn't offer that, so they "got him to enroll" in the networking program instead.

If they would only concentrate on enrolling students who ARE interested in the field and SERIOUS about their studies, this would probably not be the crisis that it has become.

@2dhi, it is nice that some people are placed. Do you really think that these motivated, hard-working, and socially savvy students couldn't do as well, or better, in a different setting?

You have to face the fact that most students don't do well at ITT-Tech and it is not the fault of the students -- that ploy about lazy students doesn't address the heart of the issue.

ITT-Tech offers essentially zero services to help the students it attracts. There are no trained guidance counselors. The students are signed up by salespeople -- who need no career guidance or counseling experience. Then the students are put in ineffective classes, with poorly structured curriculum, taught by part-time temporary faculty. Students don't get an individualized plans, consistent tutoring, and assessments to monitor progress, which are necessary to bring students who are poorly prepared for college up to performance.

How can anyone seriously expect most students to thrive and succeed in the midst of a dysfunctional organization that is totally ripping them off? Blaming these students for being lazy and un-motivated may be justified in a very few cases, but really sounds like a typical bulls__t idea promoted by sleazy Modany to shift blame from management to vulnerable students.

"...which ones are you referring to?"

As much as I hate ITT Tech right now, I have been able to place people in "gainful employment" positions. Its really all about motivation and how much work (networking and internship) you are willing to do outside school.

But for the most part, most of these students/graduates are lazy. I blame the school for spoon-feeding these people with passing grades.

"There are plenty of career schools that actually provide good educations at reasonable costs which "

...which ones are you referring to?

"Obama is going to put as many career schools out of business as he can. "

Utter nonsense. There are plenty of career schools that actually provide good educations at reasonable costs which no administration would have any interest in closing down.

The career schools which care about nothing other than revenue and will sell poor educations at inflated prices to anybody using the federal student aid programs as their accomplice are the schools that any administration should be willing to act against. Such schools are not in the country's best interests.

ACICS is going to lose their battle with the DOE. Obama is going to put as many career schools out of business as he can. He as found an easier way of doing it by putting ACICS out of business and intimidating all other accrediting counsels not to accredit these schools. This has been planned for over a year because the DOE gave ECMC a heads up last June to get the Everest schools switched over to ACCSC.

It absolutely matters what they rule. I'm beginning to lean on them coming down hard on ITT just to save their own asses and potentially dropping them as an accredited school. This would make them look more serious in the DOE's eyes and allow them to continue on because they finally righted a wrong.

If they are too lenient yet again, that just bolsters the case for the DOE to take action on them because ACICS seems like they would accredit a school for kangaroos. Nobody should be shocked if ITT actually loses the battle in the coming days.

It's a new week, let's see what's happens. Happy Monday!

ACICS is under investigation themselves so it really doesn't matter what they rule.

@izk. Maybe pigs will learn to fly, too

Even if ACICS decided "no action" they have to post it on their website as a decision -- technically show cause would have to be vacated or something.

Well, it could be that no action is in the works--ACICS may have been swayed by ITT's rebuttal accounts from students and employers. Supposedly they had hundreds of letters from students & former students giving a "thumms" up. If they have enough good things to say, maybe ITT will carry on, though with a smaller census. Maybe they can correct their deficiencies & actually move back into the top academic tier.