Thread regarding 3M layoffs

Should I report an ethics violation?

I'm in IT, and one of our VPs has insisted on hiring a third party agency to do something that we were doing well.

The third party agency is failing and it's obvious to everyone involved.

The VP refuses to entertain any complaints, and demand that we give more access to the agency.

The VP appears to have a pre-existing personal relationship with the team lead of the agency.

This seems to be to be a violation of the ethics code, but I have heard stories about people losing their jobs over reporting issues like this.

I just want to keep a roof over my family's head.

What should I do?

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Post ID: @OP+1k21bccqb

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@OP+1k2wn48py
No, do not make an ethics complaint.

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Post ID: @1st+1k21bccqb

Maybe it's time to leak some of this garbage to outside of 3M.
I will never file another ethics complaint. The 3M minions that run that sh-t show are there to protect 3M...thats it nothing else... and you better believe they know exactly who is submitting the complaints...anonymous my ar-e.

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Post ID: @1rd+1k21bccqb

Hey OP, I'm not in IT, but I suspect I work closely with you and I'm pretty sure I know to which VP you're referring. I'm entirely in agreement with your estimation of things. (On the other hand, the charitable interpretation would be that the VP won't do anything that they can't claim as their own idea.)

But like I said, I agree with you, and I've considered filing an ethics complaint myself -- this really looks like the VP is intentionally avoiding the correct strategy to funnel money to an offshore company -- but like you I'm concerned about the very real likelihood of retaliation (especially under such glorious leadership as we have now) and I'm not ready to leave my job just yet (but once I have a new one lined up, I'm outta here).

My take is to sit tight; it's pretty clear leadership won't do anything about this, anyhow.

Bide your time and we can leave this dumpster fire behind.

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Post ID: @1jh+1k21bccqb

Is it Valen? Just curious because that is the only way that sheet show of a company got their contract.

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Post ID: @11t+1k21bccqb

@yw so true. Who runs ethics? Of course, HR which is simply BBs minion.

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Post ID: @z1+1k21bccqb

The ethics hotline is actually just HR, their one mission is to protect the company. Not you.

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Post ID: @yw+1k21bccqb

There COULD be a good time to use the ethics line. If you have a deranged or psyops boss who is a long time 3Mer, then it may be a good time to call the ethics line. Especially if this person is higher up. BB could fire this person for cause and then hire one of his outside cronies to replace them. The crony will need a year or two to figure out the workplace, which buys you time if you are close to the magical 55 age for pensions. Plus seeing a long-time 3Mer who sipped the Mcnerney Kool Aid in an earlier day would be precious to see them get axed.

Never try the line of one of BBs cronies. That will lead to career su----e.

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Post ID: @th+1k21bccqb

Is a rogue pizza party an ethics violation?

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Post ID: @sq+1k21bccqb

I’m so torn. I reported an issue about my boss ten years ago and it was handled extremely well. I was so impressed and it made me really trust the system.

Today, I’m too scared to. I don’t feel like anyone is looking out for employees. I feel I’d be retaliated against. My boss said something extremely discriminatory to me about not hiring someone for a very illegal reason and I’ve been too afraid to do anything. I have let myself down and gone against my integrity. I have a lot of guilt, but I really need this job.

It’s a tough decision and I can tell its weighing on you. Good luck!

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Post ID: @k0+1k21bccqb

In 25 years, I have used the ethics line 3 times. In 2 of those cases, the VPs involved were terminated. I think it works. Anonymous is not a great way to go because they can't interview you and get all of the details that they truly need. Unless maybe you can write a literal book in your complaint to where you don't think being questioned would give them anything further. I am in IT and am pretty darn sure I know the situation you are referencing. If it's the same one, then I would encourage you to file - if you put other people's names on it, then they will interview everyone, and the case could be pretty strong.

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Post ID: @gj+1k21bccqb

The ethics line is perfectly safe. Do it anonymously. Don’t listen to the fake news here.

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Post ID: @g8+1k21bccqb

Don't use your work number, work email or personal email to report it. Make a throwaway email account, connect to it via VPN at a netcafe in a different city to where you are and send the ethics violation anonymously.

This was the only time I have seen it being effective. Bonus points when you copy multiple VPs and EVPs on the ethics complaint. We had this happen over 10 years ago, and action was taken against the person that the complaint was about. Prior to that, complaints about that same person were swept under the rug. It was a s*xual harrassment complaint.

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Post ID: @e2+1k21bccqb

@d3 HR will know who wrote it

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Post ID: @dy+1k21bccqb

I’ve had mixed results with this - would advise to do it anonymously and with caution in how you write it. You will land on a list somewhere - be careful!

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Post ID: @d4+1k21bccqb

u can report anonymously…

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Post ID: @d3+1k21bccqb

I have known the process of reporting to be safe. And worst case they will move you to a different area in 3M. If you really believe it is unethical, report it. At least then your conscience will be clear.

If it is not unethical.. I really think the company wants people who just do what they are told to do, they don’t want feedback, pushback, etc any more.. they want puppets.. it’s very sad really

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Post ID: @cw+1k21bccqb

Report it, but to media or government agencies- 3M doesn’t care until they HAVE TO. If you report internally, exec will look out for one another. PFAS and ear plugs were covered up until they HAD TO address. If it is the right thing to do, why expect 3M to resolve it? Make them listen through agencies powerful enough to matter….otherwise keep your head down and get paid. RTO will allow higher monitoring and intimidation, but until then you have the ability to do the right thing

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Post ID: @cv+1k21bccqb

Bwhahahaha ... The ethics line and the HR team that runs that entire process is a joke. If you do report something you will be targeted and bullied while the original ethics complaint gets buried. I have been with the company for awhile and I have never seen anyone have success by utilizing the ethics line.

I 100% agree with the person on this thread who said ... "Wise man sayeth: avoid using hotlines when bullies run the company" .. truer words have yet to be spoken!

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Post ID: @cr+1k21bccqb

@c1 best advice of the week. Ethics Hotline used to be a group of honorable people who were truly detached from HR and did the right thing without question. Unfortunately, like HR, this hotline became corrupted under the deranged Mcnerney who reviled dissent. Jimbo left 3M holding the bag on an age discrimination lawsuit when he bolted to Boeing. 3M had to settle for millions. One of the lead plaintiffs tried using the hotline only to get harassed and given a 2 (below average on a scale of 5) rating. He fortunately got a good attorney and sued 3M.

Wise man sayeth: avoid using hotlines when bullies run the company

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Post ID: @ck+1k21bccqb

I know the right thing to do is to report it, but based on experience, I wouldn't do it unless the company is losing millions of dollars or someone's life is at stake. I lost my job after reporting an ethics issue. One of the issues was... HR blocking me from hiring the best candidate for a job because he had been job eliminated during one of the first large rounds layoffs and IT didn't want to lose the benefit of the headcount elimination on their scorecard. For those who say they can't fire you due to retaliation, they are wrong. 3M has a lot of lawyers/money to hold you up in court. 3M will also go through all your e-mails, expense reports, time reporting etc...to find something else to justify letting you go. They can also do a job elimination and say they no longer need your position. I talked to a lawyer who worked with 3M for years and he said, "Are you ready to be dragged through the mud for years?" Keep your head down and collect the paycheck.

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Post ID: @c1+1k21bccqb

Go to the ethics and compliance website and file a report. Having filed in the past, I can tell you that the process works. If there’s something there, it will be investigated. Not reporting it as an earlier poster suggests is TERRIBLE advice.

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Post ID: @br+1k21bccqb

Yes, report the potential conflict of interest. Document that report and if you are let go, it is considered retaliation, and you can sue (and will win). Regardless, you can do this anonymously as well. But YES, file the report.

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Post ID: @bk+1k21bccqb

Keep your nose to the grindstone, let any ethical issues expose themselves.

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