So I worked for Cisco during the pandemic, but resigned during that period. I went for greener pastry specifically salary. Although, I did receive an increase in salary, I am worried that layoffs are slowly approaching as I can feel it. My question is; Going to splunk a good company to go to since I work with Data Science stuff? How is morale at the of splunk after joining Cisco.
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: @13m+1jrgdh6wr
Understandably, companies like Cisco created this no caring attitude and I agree to become complacent in this. I will never give more than 45 hr to a company and that is my hard line policy. Guess what I was proud to almost do no work when I was at Cisco, now where I am at you do have to work, but Cisco was great collecting steady income and day trading during work hours. I have no shame in it.
If there is incompetent people at Cisco as you mentioned then that is a problem with leadership since they are the ones hiring them.
It is not about being greedy, it's just having a comfortable life.
The massive transfer of wealth to the rich over the past 40 years is nothing but greed and it remains all consuming with far greater power to continue doing so. As the artificially created middle class collapses comfortable means complacent and that's not a good survival strategy.
Many people who left Cisco would say that they enjoyed their time here...
Given how poor the code is those people really worry me. I've lead at companies that deliver on time and budget over and over and over again and if I performed there like people at Cisco those companies would be out of business because companies in competitive markets can't tolerate anywhere near the level of failure that Cisco can.
@10h+1jrgdh6wr It is not about moving goal posts, it's the environment we are in today. Yes I would like to stay at someplace for years, but without constant pay increases, inflation will drive it away. My skills are up to date, it seems to me that you think I can't get a job. I still have a job, but looking at the macro environment we are in, it is a extremely competitive workforce and forgive me if there is a 2008 recession on the horizon. I am just staying prepared, because chatter is pilling up regarding layoffs due to market conditions which weren't present before.
I know what you are thinking, that if my skills are great I shouldn't have trouble finding a job, but the thing is the employer has the power and can drive wages down. You are right about people finding jobs quickly and better off than they were before. It is not about being greedy, it's just having a comfortable life.
Many people who left Cisco would say that they enjoyed their time here, but they prefer to get paid market rate.
The fact that even talented people are laid off ki-ls motivation and loyalty to an employer.
That's a poor attempt to move the goal post from whining about pay. Everyone I knew who was good was employed long before their package ran out, and their careers were better off for it. While there is a need to maintain the equivalent of ancient COBOL and there are too many people who know nothing else you're going to get legacy pay for legacy work.
Cisco has been doing layoffs, sometimes quarterly, for 24 years. The world has been doing layoffs for over 40 years. Lifetime employment died back then and those who were smart jumped jobs for both skills, money and contacts in a professional network, and they end up far ahead of the lifers who wait to get tossed into the street.
@y0+1jrgdh6wr I was just mentioning Splunk not Cisco as it self. More like LinkedIn and Microsoft type scenario. I actually agree with your sentiment, but I have a small note to add. The fact that even talented people are laid off ki-ls motivation and loyalty to an employer. Why work so hard and put in extra hours such that in two years you are gone? Once that talent leaves even by force, knowledge gets lost, morale gets damaged, product gets worse.
Part of me says sc--w it and start collecting checks. Even senior management are feeling it now since they are getting cut to, not just at Cisco, but in various places. Once you get laid off you see what I mean and trust me I lost great talented people during the pandemic at Cisco. Team went from 18 to 7 when I left.
@mc+1jrgdh6wr I see.
No, you don't.
I wonder if Cisco's salaries being low are a reason for the incompetence at Cisco, because many workers that I knew went on to FAANG type companies.
Apple has 13X Cisco's market cap and less than twice the employees. They can afford to offer compensation far in excess of the average company. There is a website with hundreds of failed products from Google, and even the successful ones are abandoned if growth slows. While not as universally bad as Cisco both make egregious mistakes that never should have reached the customer. If you look at the average tenure at these types of companies it's 2-3 years. Amazon is on the lower end of that scale and the stock vesting is designed to insure you get very little before you are removed.
Why do they do this? Because people who want money rather than to do great work lose motivation once they have money. Even NVIDIA which tried to avoid this is finding the rich quickly become complacent even when they did once care about the work. It's beginning to dawn on some of them that overpaying is counterproductive as they start to saturate their markets.
...each response here makes me think unemployment is better than going back to Cisco.
This along with the fact that you've shown no interest in applying and growing skills in the recent cluster of compensation posts suggests those may be your only options. The question you need to ask is "why is that?"
@mc+1jrgdh6wr I see. I wonder if Cisco's salaries being low are a reason for the incompetence at Cisco, because many workers that I knew went on to FAANG type companies. See the layoffs news, Microsoft, Amazon, and now Google for their pixel team. I was just looking out for myself. A job is better than unemployed, but each response here makes me think unemployment is better than going back to Cisco.
...Cisco is wildly underpaid.
When your a Principal Software Engineer and you can't answer the most basic questions not just from graduate level "intro to" courses but any undergraduate "intro to" course you shouldn't be employed at all. Cisco has far too many software engineers at every level in the same boat.
Thanks @fs+1jrgdh6wr I was thinking that too since it is used by lots of companies. Same can be said for databricks, snowflake, and cloud based analytics (AWS, GC, Azure). Also tools like Kafka, Kibana, TensorFlow, Spark, Sql, pandas, etc.
I checked the salaries for Splunk seems a tad below of what I would like, but I think opportunities for the future will open up even though Cisco is wildly underpaid. I don't think I can go back to real Cisco Cisco teams, but since we might be in a recession in the future and companies are implementing soft hiring freezes for now. There is anxiety for layoffs, but I don't disregard this idea since the last time I recall them making a decent acquisition was for Meraki. I don't know when the next layoffs for Cisco will be, but I will be on the lookout.
Microsoft is announcing layoffs soon.
Work in the splunk group that uses analytics and security. It is widely used in Fortune 500 companies.
Get in, learn and you will be fine in few years. Then decide what to do later.
Cisco is known for great training courses. Learn and upskill your talent.
I prefer chocolate pastry!
I made the right decision back in the day. That place still being woke rather more than before. I didn't mean to bother anyone, but layoffs in this environment and finding a job is tough. Just looking at my options
A word of advice stay vigilant people and polish that resume.
sure cmon on back buddy, we need some cannon fodder for next LR and sounds like you would fit the bill perfectly. How about a grade 12, everyone else is now.
there is no Splunk anymore, you would be going back to Cisco
Cisco policies
Cisco comp
Cisco benefits
etc etc
Splunk is just a brand now
Did the greener pastry involve matcha?