I was offered a LL6, and was told the pay is once a month? Is that true? Seems like an odd thing to have in 2026. Some light research suggests non management is paid semi monthly. Not that I can’t manage my money it just seems strange - anyone know why or if there’s a way around it?
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@14a I turned down an LL6 offer I got pushed pretty hard to take. I thought about it, but thought better of it and stayed a GSR. Not regrets despite getting RIF in 2022. It just wasn't worth the slightly more $$. I'm now working someplace else, non auto, and like it.
@14a I work with someone who turned down an LL6 role. Said time with the family was more important and that they didn't want to move back to Metro Detroit. None of the LL6s I know are happy. But then, none of us are happy, either.
@14a It's not the same company it was 5 or ten years ago, there are pockets of goodness that still exist, but largely it's a rotten pie.
Everybody talks about wishing they hadn't taken an LL6 or their last great job was GSR8. However, try to find someone who did turn down an LL6 spot and it is rare. I was an LL6 for most of my Ford career and was more on the technical side so my upper mobility was limited. I did enjoy a level of responsibility and some autonomy at times based on my experience. Got a few benefits like a leased vehicle (or 2). Overall, a good experience.
@t4 you are not required to get a management lease vehicle. You can but it is not required. No one is forcing you to do anything.
If by "company" you mean actual work getting done then it must be opposite day for you and check that your shirt isn't on backwards. LL5 is where the politics (bull$hit) start. So no, GSR8 and sometimes LL6 is actually the last stage where work gets done.
My LL6 works their tail off and is a good person. But I'm glad I don't have their job and I'd decline it in a heartbeat. If I was asked multiple times if I wanted it, I'd take that as a sure sign to start looking for another job. Additionally I hear all this nonsense about moving within Ford. People if you worked there any amount of time, why would you want to waste a "move" and still be there? Really? C'mon. Groups are different, I understand but the engineering organization as a whole is on crack. The sheer insanity of some of these deadlines and how disconnected they are from the actual engineering process is simply insane. The organization is set up to prioritize panic and closed JIRAs rather than make sure work gets done.
Not worth the trouble, stress, money, or the mandatory POS they make you lease.
"job market generally won't take career Ford people after a while."
Not saying it's specific to Ford, but staying anywhere for too long these days can mark you. But Ford is one of those companies where the greater job market hive mind kind of "knows the deal" so an employees that spends more than 5 years now at Ford their career starts to "rot" and decay. Depending on your role, this happens to varying degrees but always happens to some degree. These days and in this market you have to be very discriminating as to what company you give more than 5 years of career time to.
Another thing - people will tell you it spells career death to sign on for a pay cut no matter what. Well what you rather have, career death or health degrading to the point actual death is closer than it would be otherwise. Hope this reaches someone and it helps.
@rd Babysitters.
LL6 is a glorified GSR8….the company starts at LL5….eveyone else are just peasants.
Here is my career in a nutshell. You decide.
I joined Ford out of college in 2000. By 2005, I had made LL6 and was having panic attacks for the first time in my life. That is when Xanax entered the picture. In 2012, after being promoted to LL5, antidepressants and beta blockers became regulars too.
Under the current state of the company, it has only gotten worse. What started as stress turned high cost cost: severe anxiety, chronic back pain from years of sitting and stress, weight gain, and now cardiac issues. I am not even 50 years old, and I am managing the kind of physical and mental damage that should make any sane person stop and ask what this place does to people over time.
The medication alone is a statement. I am living at a level of stress where getting through the day has meant relying on dr-gs that are not harmless, not casual, and not something anyone should normalize. That is what this career has done to me.
I can't leave at this point (pension is part of it) but the job market generally won't take career Ford people after a while.
And no, I do not buy the idea that this is genetic. My parents are in their 80s, healthier than I am, and they have not lived anything like this.
So yes, here is my career in a nutshell. Read it and make your own decision.
Just say no. Just like they taught you in school.
LOL. No thanks, why would anyone want that?
Listen, fool. What's more important to the company bottom line is people that get work done. Also known as individual contributors. Look at all the major companies...laying off management everywhere. You're better off in the job market if you ARE NOT in a supervisory role or higher. So why would Ford be adding layers? They are out of touch, thats why.
@hb this.
@f7 LMAO Only those bathed in the Ford Friends and Family baptismal pond could say:
“ Technical specialists and experts were reduced during Smart Redesign years ago for a reason, because well rounded people leader skills are more important to this company's bottom line”
with a straight face.
Pre-Mulally the game was eject knowledge and skill while protecting and expanding bureaucracy.
During-Mulally Knowledge over hierarchy, eject empire and silo building bureaucrats (aka so called well rounded leaders with zero practical skills/knowledge)
Post-Mulally the game reverted to eject knowledge and skill while protecting and expanding bureaucracy.
When an engineer who is also a mature business person is in charge the company focuses on profitably engineering products that customers will purchase. Concrete measurements for success are observed.
When an engineer is not in charge of the company the goalposts for success are anchored in fantasy land and concrete measures of success are abandoned. It becomes more important to babble nonsense to the media and employees than to actually produce a quality product.
Get real It is fantasyland to believe Ford is becoming a mobility company that people will purchase a perpetual and ever increasing monthly subscription from. Ford CEOs got all caught up in becoming a tech company without even understanding the basic facts that the vast majority of Silicon Valley startup tech companies fail rapidly. It’s all about getting su-kers to invest in an idea/company and the founders harvesting the investments before the failure. Rinse and repeat. What happened repeatedly is Ford was the whale getting taken for a ride, purchasing/investing in tech startup after tech startup.
There was a telling survey of people in major metropolitan areas where people were asked if they would subscribe to a mobility service of self driving cars. 95% were in the absolutely not category. Why you might ask? Well they have public transport that is reliable, affordable and efficient. Hmmm is that why the auto industry dismantled the excellent public transportation system that once upon the time existed in Metro Detroit?
Ford has a very limited time window to course correct. Odds are it won’t be a going concern for much longer.
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Terrible take on the most important people leader positions in our company aside from executive leadership levels. Technical specialists and experts were reduced during Smart Redesign years ago for a reason, because well rounded people leader skills are more important to this company's bottom line. The key word is leader. There isn't more need be said, it's common modern business sense.
Unless it’s for a TS job it’s a pain. Managing many people is not worth the money. Unless you enjoy that because you will be doing your job and theirs.
LL6 jobs are difficult. Recognize that all problems will always be your fault
Yes LL6 paid once a month
I know CA-based employees get paid twice a month due to state rules.
I’ll say it, RUN, these people are psychopaths. Unless you enjoy being psychologically tortured by the whole crew anyway….
Aside from advising you to run away, if you're the "theoretical" caliber of person they are "supposed" to be recruiting for these roles, doesn't surprise me that you're asking this here.
Who cares, they could pay me once per year for all I care…
If you got an offer then you should have all the docs that tells you about that.