do new hires have to worry a lot about jobs getting outsourced or mostly people who make higher salary? New grads don’t make six figures in IT generally
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I was assuming at least average productivity and that average productivity in the US >= India. If that is true, then break even is about 100 hours per week or so. I am also assuming that there is limited pool of average workers in India. They can’t hire and train enough Indian engineers to eliminate all US jobs. That means that a U.S. worker only has to work harder or smarter than their peers. Yes, they can and will lay anyone off, but high performers are typically safe as long as their skill is needed. All bets are off when the ship is sinking.
You can work 24/7 for Q or any other tech company. As long as you are not bringing something special to the table, nobody at these companies care about you and when the layoff time comes they will lay you off and outsource your job. You cannot justify your pay anyway by saying I am working 24/7, so what? Is working more hours is what preventing these companies to outsource your job? What do you do in those extra hours that prevent Q to outsource your job. Like it or not, they will do whatever they want to reduce their cost, working 24/7 does not prevent them from cost reduction. American employees need to find something else to justify their pay rather than hours.
Well, we agree on some things. I agree that salaried workers are bullied to work far too many hours at Q. I also agree that an 8 hour day is better for workers. I am not suggesting that everyone should work 14 hour days. I agree that shareholders don't care about employee satisfaction or work/life balance. They care about the bottom line. That's why Q has been outsourcing to India for nearly 10 years. Q's business doesn't have high enough margins to justify a large US workforce, esp. if those workers aren't willing to work more than 40 hour weeks or odd hours. It's just the nature of the semiconductor and consumer product business. Most companies in a similar business have long since moved most of the work overseas. Q has to play the same game or die. So, yes, you can insist on 8 hour days on a CA salary, but you'll be the first one cut once times are tough, unless you are doing something very valuable in those 8 hours. US workers have to justify their pay in the new globalized world. You may not like it, but it's reality. It's not going to change until you figure out how to take power away from the globalists. If you can get paid the same as you are paid at Q, while working 9 to 5 for 5 days a week, do it. I would, but I've never found such a company. You may get away with it for awhile, but when times get tough...you're out. The exceptions are the highly innovative 10x engineers, but I've see almost none of these at Q.
- Q pay is not something special there are lots of companies pay equal or more than Q.
- Learn some time management it is good for ur work and life.
- You don't live to work. You work to live.
- your pay is only good if you work 8 hours. If you work more than that you are reducing your pay. At some point you realize that you earn around min wage or maybe plus 20%.
Anyways you are free to decide for your life if you want to work 14 hours a day nobody is preventing you. But remember at the end of the day you are just working for shareholders that dont give a fu-k about you and your life. They forced you to RTO do their commercial real estate does not lose value. They are laying you off and they dont give you any raise to adjust your pay with inflation. Good luck with the rat race i am sure shareholders will love you when they look at their bank accounts.
Good luck finding tech company that will pay you as much as Q while you work 9-5. I'm sure lots of us would love to know your secret.
Salaried or hourly does not matter, 8 hours of work is enough. Why should an employee care if Q will function with 8 hours of work or not? that is never an employee problem. If the job cannot get done in 8 hours, a company can hire more. I don't understand why these companies have so many ball lickers. They don't care about you, your families, or your health and then you come here to defend these companies. I did not know Q is full of stupid people. While you are defending them, they are laying you off lol. Salary is like unlimited PTO to trick people into longer hours of work. So again F off.
"Q couldn't function if salaried workers worked 9-5".This is what the Q employee is not understanding. Increase productivity. Stay focused 9-5. Don't do real estate, investments, office walk during the business hours.
With this technological advancements only slow brain or non skilled will be required to stretch at work to complete daily tasks.
The 9-5 model may make sense for hourly workers, but the original post mentioned salary workers. Your "F off" statement doesn't apply to salary workers. Q couldn't function if salaried workers worked 9-5.
Hey @qwo+1oaZSmS8 , if you have a slow brain that cannot finish the job between 9-5 it is your fault. so F off. Nobody owes you or Q anything to work beyong 5 pm. When you put ur hours on qtime open you fu----g eyes and see that says 7.5h. So again F off.
New grad needs to be a hunter, not prey. Up your game so you are obsoleting more expensive and less productive ways of the past, and it's penny wise, pound foolish, to cost optimize you. Worry about yourself missing out on growth opportunities, not looking over your shoulder. That's for the old lions to worry about.
Time spent in the office does not measure dedication, work output, or productivity. Due to outsourcing, most of our team is on Teams calls until 11pm nightly. Most of our team is always on call over weekends and holidays as well. Your director may leave by 5pm, but he is probably on Teams calls with India every night and China every morning. Don't worry about what others do. Just worry about what you do. Just put in a good, honest week of work and leave it at that. I know for a fact that some of the hardest workers, that worked every night and many weekends, were shown the door in May. Working hard, showing up to the office, etc. won't protect you from a lay off. The best thing you can do is keep your skills current, have your resume ready to go, keep up with your network, and be prepared to find another job. Everything else is outside your control.
I as a new grad find my director leaving between 4-5 pm so i leave office by 5 pm. What's wrong in that @qwo+1oaZSmS8?
Over years, it doesn't matter whether one is working 8 hours, 10 -12 hours or 5 hours regularly. Re-org positions all the hourly workers together.
Do you new grads do any work anyway? You can barely find the new grads online beyond 5pm. They will not log in for late meetings. They arrive late to work. It looks like the brief employee's market over the past few years has fooled you into thinking that you can slack and still move to a new job for a 30% pay hike. Times are changing. Watch out
Any new grads thinking of working for Qualcomm will do so only if they have no choice. Given a choice, they will never work for Qualcomm. That would leave only the bad and desperate ones joining.
The biggest threat to new grads is OPT/CPT which allows foreign students and recent grads to work in the states for a period of time. There is an additional benefit to companies who employ them because they do not have to pay social security tax for these individuals.