If you’re willing to do so, post the results of your day here. Ironically, might be beneficial to see you’re not alone and how wide the impact has been felt. I know that’s what I’ll be looking for after my 15min call at 2:30. Best wishes to all.
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I got RIF’d on 9/21. From the CSBD Compliance Dept. Found out early in the morning; think I was one of the first ones. Was told to log off immediately so not sure what else happened that day or who got hit. Was part of a group call last week to go over our severance packets. There were 97 people on that call.
https://www.eeoc.gov/federal-sector/filing-formal-complaint
I would investigate any "reporters" as the company is a digital marketing firm and could be gathering data for Elevance - better to file a formal complaint (link above) with EEOC primarily about age discrimination as that was quite evident in all HR meetings that the lay offs were aged based...in a meeting of 150+ no one was under 60 and some as old as 79. All they talked about was Medicare and many posted their age. Report on that. You don't need a lawyer, yes it's a pain, but they can't retaliate for filing a complaint and it would be nice if the government had such things on file considering the size of this company. Nothing will change of course but people in their 50 and 60s are viable employees and should stand up for themselves and fight back a little - the 30 year olds they replaced me/us with will be 60 someday and NOT working at Elevance Health.
Virginian-Pilot healthcare reporter Katrina D-x is working on an article about these layoffs. You can contact her at 757-222-5155 or katrina.d-x@virginiamedia.com. You will have the option to speak on or off the record.
Lump sum is NOT an option. The only option is bi-weekly on regular paydays.
Is the severance a lump sum payment? Can you request it be?
I've been curious about WARN myself, especially since in California, that 30 day notice appears to be in violation of it. Either the attorneys know better than I do, or the company assumes no one will pursue it and the few who do are just cost of doing business.
We've had people leaders all over this forum sharing that yes, everyone has to sign NDAs. you probably aren't going to see anyone who actually signed one confirming that, for good reason, but you should probably trust what the leaders are saying. Also because I've seen many of these over the years, and yes, it's SOP.
Was off yesterday so they did mine today. 1:1 with supervisor playing cool like everything was ok then said hold on getting ping from SVP...next thing I know SVP & HR are on the line. Blah blah it is not you, we are eliminating your position but you are the only one being let go. So any questions about applying, etc? I said what, applying at this company? No thank you. What is my last day? So SVP and Mgr left so HR could go over the BS and tell me I would get the paperwork on Monday. So I told her fine, we have nothing to talk Bout until then. This SVP has had it out for me since she started and she finally got her wish. I hate this place now
the one thing I find funny is it having to do with age, because trust me if I had control over aging it would have stopped years ago
Twitter @TheLayoff
Elevance Health Layoffs 2023:
This thread on Elevance Health is trending - users are reporting massive layoffs...
https://thelayoff.com/t/1fGCV4et
Hyperlinked: @OP+1fGCV4et
GREAT question about WARN notices....they are nowhere to be found. I think an HR person would have to answer that one. Not sure how they got away without having to file those because the layoff number is so high. I would guess no and I really feel that they think the associates are id--ts and/or uneducated and so they would not know to look up or ask about WARN notices or other state/federal filings.
Were OWBPA and WARN requirements followed?
https://www.onwardshr.com/blog/age-discrimination
https://ogletree.com/insights/californias-tech-layoff-bo-m-what-employers-need-to-know-about-federal-and-state-warn-act-triggers/#:~:text=The%20WARN%20Act%20requires%20covered,of%20the%20workforce%20at%20a
Hi All, I think most of the folks hit wont be online today, rightfully so. But we're you made to sign a non disclosure document .
Any UM nurses affected?
The company is implementing AI more and more behind the scenes. As are all companies. This is going to happen everywhere over the next few years.
The world will not look the same in five years.
THE REAL REASON FOR RIFs
Two largest institutional investors and holders of Elevance stock are Vanguard & Blackrock which are arguably the most powerful financial cartel in human history - holding rights in most S&P 500 companies. Vanguard and BlackRock collectively manage over $16.7 trillion in corporate assets (more than half the US debt of $31.6 trillion).
They use their expansive shareholder voting rights to significantly influence agendas in corporate boards of most major U.S. corporations.
You are naive if you don’t believe these two entities weren’t deeply involved in the decision to reduce force at Elevance, just as was done at United, Aetna, Cigna, Humana, etc.
Force reductions are highly coordinated events across the industry (CEOs talk with each other & their common investors), to abdicate personal responsibility for staffing mismanagement and to make events appear ‘market driven’ or beyond their control. All insurance companies laying off staff must solely be driven by economic pressures and NOT greed. No, Vanguard and Blackrock don’t have deeply vested interests in the stock price and earnings of all major insurance companies - they’d never signal a CEO when to RIF.
Point is, CEOs are beholden, bought and paid for by the board seats they hold in other organizations and those they’ve doled out in their own organizations as personal favors. How else do you think compensation committees approve outlandish annual compensation and severance packages (golden parachutes). Not one of those exes provides the value they’re paid - not even close, when you net out the missteps, errors, and blunders costings hundreds of millions and sometimes billions.
Go online and look at what’s due to each ELT member should they be severed from the organization, they’re not losing sleep over you. But they are paying close attention to what the overlords at Vanguard and Blackrock tell the board to do, because of consequences relative to stock price.
He who controls voting rights controls the earth.
@1ldl+1oIvGzm1 The company is required by law to provide the position, and age of each person in the RIF. That information is only available to those who were RIF'd, so they will have that once they get their package of documentation from Evil-ance.
If you dare, you can approach any of those people to obtain the information you seek. IF you do get the information, would you please analyze the numbers and post the results in this forum?
- How much was over paid in bad recons [ incorrect mlr calculations ] to providers [ airels area ]
- Who thought somatus was a good idea that cost 100M ?
The sum of those 2 alone is 200M in 2022 alone...
I had to pick 1. Performance was my only selection criteria. Bottom performer of my team had to let go. Was with company for 19 years. Overall 6 in my department out of 100 or 105. I think there is more to come. (My guess, no official communication).
I survived, but , all this tells me is that it’s time to go…if they didn’t get you this time, what makes you think it won’t be next round, or not long after that? It’s just a matter of time, why wait to find out when? Nobody here is safe, this affected VPs to front line workers. All loyalty and motivation is completely shot after this. If you didn’t know it before, employees are not valued here, we’re just another line item on a budget, nothing more. Nothing drives that home more than knowing that they don’t even acknowledge this RIF or reassure those who remain, truly classless. Time to take back some control and go on your own terms before they pull the rug out again. Thanks to all who posted here… many were oblivious. Truly disappointed, bless you all
I got it. Very stressful day waiting on the meeting time and knowing what it was for ahead of time. Over 50. Something to look forward to attempting to finding a job at this age. And most companies have already shot through their budget this year, not hiring till new year. 4 on my team got it. Sad day. Everyone is just a number. All Replaceable. 🥹
How many in GBD got RIFed? GBD IT or Operations? Any staff VPs in GBD IT got RIF?
Got a new VP a few weeks ago, today he called a team meeting and 10 minutes before, he added a HR Rep. Knew something was coming. Got on the call and he wanted everyone on camera. After we all got on camera, he dropped the bo-b, 7/12 gone. ON CAMERA! I survived this round, don't think I'll be so lucky with the next.
Age. They like all companies get rid of older workers and replace them with younger ones under the guise of rifs so no one can sue. Early retirement is another one that covers them legally. They also claim diversity but that's only for their overseas labor in India and the Philippines.. the corporate office and 98% of their employees are white, young and cis female married and hetero. They talk openly about having babies, Jesus and christianity which, as Muslim, is highly inappropriate and offensive. A 98% young Caucasian female workforce in a billion dollar conglomerate is overtly ageist s-xist and racist. They better be a little bit more careful in the future about those issues even if it is in the Republican Midwest.
My area just addee 5 ftes , travels and made a cut... make it make sense
Manager voluntold to early retire - no manager for awhile splitting up teams that had managers to take early retirement of course they say no more rif but we know anthem track record.
We were told that our Manager was laid off because her position was eliminated as a result of a reduction in force but they are replacing her with another Manager. How is this even possible?
I got riffed from carelon. I think my team technically report up through CSBD, but i don't know for sure. I received the same severance offer as everyone else here at my level. I like my boss and coworkers so I'm not going to sc--w them over by being sour over this. One thing I've often witnessed here is failing upwards. So it makes sense the GBD folks here mentioning their executives losing billions on horrible acquisitions and now firing us. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. I'm sure they'll hire another 30,000 Legato slaves in India so gail can fellate herself on the earnings call.
100 of us lost our jobs GBD in one day. November 2nd Wave. No one is safe, title changes to come in 30 days.
MeToo - let go.
At Cigna before here, the gave me 6mo severance for 1yr. called it a RIF but that was a farce. I got new position at Cigna instead to keep tenure. Found out that dept kept employees under 40, less tenure and experience, hired a new manager under 4O.
When you’re in your 50-60, it’s easy to be a target.
The excuse at ELEVANCE was bogus and based on younger inexperienced staff who complain out of self-preservation. Leads are not shiny stars and lack skill set and experience but that is the culture.
Professionals who are mature with credentials who are likeable and requested by clients seem to be a target as well as one’s age.
Like too see the age demographics for layoffs. I have a feeling I know what it would say...
I wonder how many HR folks will get Impact Awards tomorrow for all their help with the RIF’s? I know they’re just doing their job, but damn, it’s all so messed up. Those of us left behind get to go through the worry and stress again in October and November, to see if it’s our turn to get RIF’d. :(
Anyone know how many lay offs so far? Curious.
@cww+1oIvGzm1 Wondering that myself. Are they going to make disgruntled and pi---d off associates go in? If they refuse will that be grounds for termination and no severance?
What’s everyone’s thoughts on making everyone go back to the office then giving them 30 days when potential disgruntled associates go into the office as well?
15 ppl that I know of in digital were rifd. I’m sure there are more.
@@cqh+1oIvGzm1 I agree with you.
It sounds like they are trying to ki-l GBD altogether. From day 1 they have tried to make Medicaid behave like commercial. It’s really d-mb. It’s just not. They su-ked in Medicaid long long ago and the only success was Amerigroup. Until UHGGail blew in and now loss after loss ….Cigna, MS, MN, WNY, TX, NE. Beacon has been an absolute dumpster fire too.
My mgr in Payment Integrity Reporting was laid off,
Conveniently timed after the associate surveys were due.