Thread regarding VMware layoffs

Read only if you are not rich, are the sole bread winner, or have never been laid off

Severance -1 month for every completed year of service if Vmw lays you off and 2 months notice irrespective of location, 15 days/1 month per year if Broadcom lays you depending on your location, no generous benefits etc., notice period as per your contract or 2 months max if they feel generous. Mind you bc has never done layoffs at this huge scale and they are very cost concerned so they will take a call. They have no reputation to maintain or relationships to foster with you and my guess is they will go with minimum which is legally permissible

Decision maker – board, and always board not the management or leadership or lt slt glt mlt xyzlt. They want money, they trust bc on that and rightly so

Why no layoff rn – it’s laughable to think leadership trusts the people or being generous. They themselves will be wiped off in a jiffy.

  1. mass layoff will reveal the future structural plans which they wouldn’t want to be revealed rn.
  2. Layoff expenditures are huge. bc will do it more cost effectively and more efficiently.

If leadership is a puppet, why do they keep telling stay motivated, and we’ll see when we see, mid year bonus is good and all –
that’s because of the dollars they are getting. Not only vps by the way who have massive massive severance. Each and every level5 and above, mngrs, snr mngers, directors etc have been getting retention payouts since last year. May be retaining the talent is one of the ways they are being assessed.

They have already a buffer of about 6 months of additional pay they already have got till now and more to come, plus special accelerated RSU vesting since last year, plus the severance they will get. Don’t be stupid to compare yourself to them. They will have a financial cushion of 1 year or more to find a job. and your mid-year bonus will be 20-30 days of your salary.

Don’t “actively” start looking out rn only if you are confident that your severance will be at least 6 months+, you know there are too many jobs available in the market at comparable salary/brand etc., you are already getting relevant job calls. Remember the moment you are laid off you lose the bargaining power. You interview in stress. Your last drawn salary is 0 during offer negotiation. The world is not as benevolent as LinkedIn shows. I’ve been there and it’s not a pretty place.

Here is a reality check in the current market, may be true for 80% population– unless you are a known rockstar in the industry it will take 6 months or more to get the job at same salary/comparable brand, lesser if you are not so concerned on salary/ brand. Will that impact your career trajectory? when was when you last interviewed? Your assessment! The more senior you are the more difficult as number of opportunities reduce. That’s why they are getting so much to stay.

It’s easy to get swayed by examples of people at the right place at the right time. Understand your own reality. Specially if you are in unique roles. The market is not the same for engineers in different Bu, a sales or finance person or a lawyer

One easy thing to do is – search for jobs available right now which you would be willing to take after getting laid off. Try to find out what salary what those companies are providing. What makes you believe you’ll get the dream job or even a comparable one once you get laid off when you are not getting those calls right now? What are your peers at other companies saying, are they getting good calls?
Yes, that 2 months of extra salary in severance is lucrative, but unless your severance/retention will cushion you for 6-8 months or you work for fun only, please be prepared for the market at the least.

I wish the ethical people may be from senior members, managers or hr be painting the right picture and providing balanced guidance to all vulnerable people right now but it seems their mouth is stuffed with money. Hr serves managers only and managers serve themselves. Everybody is NOT in the same boat, as managers and leaders claim with empathy. They are heavily cushioned and more than 75% of the company is not. And they say own integrity, show ethical mindset. I’ve lost respect for many people in last few months. Somwhere it’s evident who walks the talk and who is an EPIC2 hypocrite. Bc wins on this.

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Post ID: @OP+1mGQ0Tqm

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$50K?

You're definitely not boasting and I'm sorry.

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Post ID: @4ftx+1mGQ0Tqm

I'm nowhere near level 5 and I got a 50k retention bonus.

No boast, just FYI.

I have no idea what that means going fw.
Probably sweet FA.

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Post ID: @1rbt+1mGQ0Tqm

The ChatGPT summary is too long...

TLDR; Investors (all two of them) of VMware don't care about you, management are incompetent and guess what - ALSO don't care about you. Take care of yourself. Welcome to life.

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Post ID: @1ijv+1mGQ0Tqm

I got a Headache reading here is the ChatGPT summary:

This text provides a reality check for those who are at risk of being laid off due to the current market. It explains that the board of the company is the decision maker and they are primarily concerned with cost-effectiveness. It also explains that the leadership is not being generous and that they have already received a financial buffer. It warns against expecting to receive the same salary/brand as before and encourages people to search for jobs they would be willing to take after being laid off. Finally, it suggests that the leadership is not providing balanced guidance and is instead looking out for their own interests.

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Post ID: @puw+1mGQ0Tqm

REPLYING TO @lpx+1mGQ0Tqm

In the UK.
If PSO was outsourced to Wipro for example.
Staff would fall under TUPE. So they would keep there same salary and bonus % etc but work for Wipro, keeping there years of service.

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Post ID: @fyp+1mGQ0Tqm

What is the severance then when deal closes

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Post ID: @ghp+1mGQ0Tqm

To the person who started "To the one below..."

Uh I have read all the agreements and SEC filings. I have also contacted our HR, found our severance policy. verified it with them. The question has been asked before, it was even asked in one of the meeting early about the acquisition...

Severance in the first 12 months for VMware employees laid off will follow the existing VMW severance policy. it is clearly documented, and has been looked at.
2 months + 1 week for every year of completed service, plus some time frame of cobra.

You're being a troll to be a troll.

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Post ID: @arz+1mGQ0Tqm

What would the scenario if some organizations like PSO outsourced to outside service providers? can anyone shed light on what is the law states for that scenario? Or They can simply drive you crazy and force you to quit.

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Post ID: @lpx+1mGQ0Tqm

To the one below...

aren't you proudly suggesting "severance" to be even less than what OP mentioned??

i don't think you ever read the deal agreement and only parroting what you heard. probably not even capable of. sorry to say but this is how it looks.

Read section 7.7 of the deal on employee matters, then read the definition of continuing employees, then read what company benefits plan mean, then read what severance means as per company benefits plan, then read what severance means in legal terms, then think why vmware doesn't mention severance anywhere and uses another term which means extra pay (i'll leave you to google) which is not a benefit or entitlement.

stop showering your ignorance on everyone. Go back to counting your retention pay.

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Post ID: @igw+1mGQ0Tqm

For all your rambling you should have read the deal's paperwork. Even when it closes for the first 12 months the policies and packages of VMW stay in place.

So this tight severance you describe as broadcom being stingier than VMW is for the forst 12 months after close you get laid off you get the vmw package...

Which is 2 months + 1 week for each year of server plus cobra for some time period.

Stop typing for 2 hours rambling and read a little

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Post ID: @kcz+1mGQ0Tqm

I can totally see BC going through proper layoff procedures in the UK as it will be cheaper than packages (maybe other locations as well).

In the UK for starters you need to be employed at least 2 years before you get statutory redundancy and then it is one week's pay for each year. In my case I was with VMware 5 years so I would have gotten just over a month pay (and I had a month's notice too).

Pretty pathetic - the ONLY reason why some companies still rather pay a package in the UK is because they need to register the intend to lay off people as well as have a three months consultation period.

Lots of paperwork and therefore easier to get rid of people. But if cheaper - I can see them going through the official route.

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Post ID: @dti+1mGQ0Tqm

Are you sure the deal is closing? EU, UK, FTC still pending and quite uncertain.

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Post ID: @wke+1mGQ0Tqm

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