Thread regarding SAP layoffs

Project Mongoose - We are all different breed of animals according to SAP Management and Board!!

We want to catch up on our former newsletter where we reported on an Executive Board decision regarding a recurring workforce transformation.

On August 5th and September 1st, 2025, the SE Works Council (Europe) was informed about urgent measures which impact all board areas under the codename “Project Mongoose” in an extraordinary consultation. This project is the implementation of the announcement by Dominik Asam and Christian Klein during the past Q2 Earnings Call, which can be summarized by the headlines of 1-2% reduction of SAP’s global workforce.

The SE Works Council (Europe) expresses its deep concern over the decision to proceed with another wave of redundancies in 2025, marking the second such initiative this year following P24 (“Project 24”) Wave 3. Despite reassurances to the contrary by the Executive Board earlier this year, this development underscores a continued pattern of workforce changes without adequate time to assess the prior transformations. This raises the question: What problems may lie beneath SAP’s Half Year financial figures that have forced the Executive Board to resort to such urgent measures?

While the rationale for Project Mongoose has been framed and presented in terms of adapting to technological change – particularly referencing the effects of AI and location strategy – the actual measures appear to us better aligned with short-term financial targets rather than strategic transformation, wrapped in “lean adjustment” terminology. This paradox between reasoning and actions risks undermining employee trust.

The lack of clarity around projected cost savings, customer impact, AI-related redesign, and location strategy further exacerbates our concerns. We fear these decisions may lead to long-term harm – both talent loss and diminished customer trust. The current lack of transparent and straightforward communication creates uncertainty, which reduces organizational efficiency and erodes confidence in the Executive Board.

The SE Works Council (Europe) urged management to present the reasons for the job cuts in more detail and depth, commit to meaningful reskilling initiatives, and avoid reducing strategic workforce decisions to routine cost-cutting exercises, as to us the current Executive Board decision does not seem to be connected to a discernible logic. Following Project Mongoose and P24, we are worried that SAP and the Executive Board might adopt this practice as another adjustment tool that may be used freely whenever financial targets suggest it.

We remain committed to monitoring the execution process, both from the SE Works Council (Europe) perspective and through the local Employee Representations of the impacted countries. During the consultation process, we have been assured that all impacted employees are treated with respect and dignity and within the legal guarantees of the respective countries. Also, at the end of this consultation, we will keep advocating for a long-term vision that values the expertise and dedication of our workforce. We will come back with more information on this topic in due time.

As always, we welcome your comments and suggestions and look forward to your feedback.


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Post ID: @OP+1k4ckevrq

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SAP has stopped offering new Business by Design licenses. This product is axed.
What will happen to the teams and people building, supporting and maintaining this product?
https://walldorf.consulting/en/blog/the-end-of-sap-business-bydesign

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Post ID: @d66+1k4ckevrq

@640 These are not layoffs. If a German employee does not accept the severance package, he will be moved to a new role.

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Post ID: @660+1k4ckevrq

100 layoffs from Germany. Affected employees have been asked to look for other roles internally, change their profile or take a severance package. Decision to be taken by Nov first week.

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Post ID: @640+1k4ckevrq

@OP it’s plain and simple. They used all of this “moving the goalposts” f__l<ery to be able to whack anyone who turned down the end-of-Q1-2024 VERP, wh@cking them without anything in additional to baseline severance. Some fool extended the VERP payout terms to end of FY2024 and they had to end that overgenerosity. Now they can clean house (or brush and floss their teeth per Asam) and only payout standard, baseline severance. Any fool can see the gamesmanship they exploit.

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Post ID: @509+1k4ckevrq

How layoffs meetings are happening:

The meetings follow this pattern: The affected employees receive an invitation from their manager. The subject line of the invitation already contains the word “Mongoose,” making it clear what the meeting is about. An HR representative is also invited to the meeting. In this invitation, the affected employees are informed that they may bring a works council member to the meeting.

At the beginning, the manager’s task is to explain to the affected employee why the meeting is taking place. A prepared, standardized text is more or less read out, and then it is announced that the employee’s position will no longer exist. Other aspects such as performance or general behavior are not addressed.

Then, the options for the affected employee are presented: They can apply for a position within SAP, and—if they wish—the application will be marked with a special Mongoose identifier so that it may be given preferential treatment if necessary. There is no separate internal job market within SAP for the affected employees.

If they do not find a job in the internal job market, a position will be assigned to them. This position can be declined once. Then, the employee will be offered another position, but it may be the original one.

Additionally, the affected employees are offered a termination agreement. This agreement includes a severance payment based on the table currently used at SAP

It is repeatedly emphasized that jobs at SAP in Germany are not at risk.

Finally, an HR contact person is named who will accompany the employee through the process.

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Post ID: @4wc+1k4ckevrq

Does anyone have information for US employees?

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Post ID: @3wv+1k4ckevrq

It seems that affected employees in Germany have been notified - I'm guessing these are voluntary notifications - could someone confirm? . The UK finished the consultation last week, and affected employees will be notified next week

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Post ID: @3td+1k4ckevrq

https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/sap-exec-fired-ai

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Post ID: @3pz+1k4ckevrq

@3pq which solution presale,which countries?

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Post ID: @3pt+1k4ckevrq

SAP to drastically reduce GTM (Go To Market) staff in some countries and have started trials of Service Now's GTM / Pre sales agents in the workflow.

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Post ID: @3pq+1k4ckevrq

@29a Looks like HPOM is even worse than expected. Thank goodness I moved to an HPOM-free org!

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Post ID: @29c+1k4ckevrq

The future of UA developers look bleek due to AI replacing a part of the roles, lesser need for creating tons of reference guides and knowledge base material and greater integration of in-app help after Walk Me acquisition and integration.

As per the recent announcement in my dept, we have been offered 2 future career paths to choose from - Technical Writer / UX Writer or UX Designer. The trainings will begin starting from next year and the successful participants will move into the new roles and the not so successful candidations will be offered an exit package. Another role will face the axe after HPOM!

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Post ID: @29a+1k4ckevrq

@24z+1k4ckevrq
RPA is part of SAP Build, which has 3 sub products. I'm not sure if it is part of SAP Build Process Automation or another one.

@259+1k4ckevrq
Don't know about it if the team in France will be impacted. Its more safe in EU than India to layoff employees. Regarding RPA, the product support/ maintenance/ customer support team will be impacted and the whole product maintenance will be outsourced to a third party vendor. Confirmed news announced in a team all hands!

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Post ID: @291+1k4ckevrq

@24p as far as I know RPA is based in France right ?
They were impacted by the voluntary leave Layoffs in 2024 but most of them refused to leave...
May be this time they will be "forced" to leave ?

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Post ID: @259+1k4ckevrq

@24p Are RPA guys in the same teams as SAP Build Process Automation?

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Post ID: @24z+1k4ckevrq

2 big news coming -
Layoffs are announced in some teams in India and RPA (Robotic Process Automation) product maintenance to be outsourced to another company. Both are interrelated.

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Post ID: @24p+1k4ckevrq

For this program, are they offering packages like in P24?

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Post ID: @20d+1k4ckevrq

Any news from APAC?

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Post ID: @1nd+1k4ckevrq

@115 People take selfies because they know the board is simply brillant. Brillant!

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Post ID: @14e+1k4ckevrq

There are still people taking selfies with and praising our lovely CEO and CFO. They feel so inspired by this duo who cares so much for employees and the long term company strategy...seems like many have been brainwashed very well

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Post ID: @115+1k4ckevrq

@yc No layoffs in Germany. The German works council has an agreement with management that rules this out.

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Post ID: @z9+1k4ckevrq

Layoffs will occur in Germany, it is a matter of days/weeks until it is announced. Works Council Members have the information. We should expect at least 200 positions to be impacted. Reading the last comment, it makes sense to delay it until the Q3 earnings call or days before that.

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Post ID: @yc+1k4ckevrq

If anyone has any other information from WDF then please share anonmously. All the decisions are made in the corridors and meeting rooms of WDF campus.

Next SAP Q3 earnings call is on 22 October. Mark your calendars!

As per the past trend suggests, SAP will follow what Oracle and Salesforce does. These companies have recently laid off thousands of employees globally in Aug and Sept. Let's see if DA and CK will stop at 1-2% or goes up the ladder!

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Post ID: @y3+1k4ckevrq

@OP It seems like France won't be impacted in 2025 (EU work council representative) ... Is this information solid ?
I don't see why/how FR could avoid this...

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Post ID: @x7+1k4ckevrq

@rm Stay on the topic of layoffs.

But don‘t spread rumors.

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Post ID: @tq+1k4ckevrq

@hv Wow! Simply Wow! You are wrong! Wrong! Wrong! What happens when all of the “illegal immigrants” are sent back or otherwise dealt with? What group of people will be scapegoated and (At a minimum), harassed next? How does this scapegoating coincide with a group not being productive and/or contributing to society? What groups would be included? How would we force “Contribution” ? We’ve been down this road a couple of times before and it has been a huge stain on out humanity. Yet some still stoke the fires of ignorance and pour hate into the mix over and over again!

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Post ID: @rm+1k4ckevrq

@r8 Oh no.

HPOM is a disaster. DevMgrs in retros, sure… nobody gives honest feedback.

And now they will be the masters of even more sceremonies.

Management never learns, do they.

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Post ID: @ra+1k4ckevrq

Folks, stop.

Don‘t spread rumors.

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Post ID: @r9+1k4ckevrq

@qx+1k4ckevrq Scrum master roles still exists. They report to the development manager within an engineering team. Mostly all the tech teams have those within P&E. Some Scrum Masters also double up as a QA as well but not officially.

Within my department, I know a couple of scrum masters. One of them has been asked by their team's development manager to justify their work and contributions within the team during the SAP Talk after performance review. The dev manager mentioned that there is no clear role defined for a Scrum Master within the HPOM setup and Empowered Product Teams (EPTs) and their roles can be taken up by Dev manager or PM to manage the backlog and run the scrum ceremonies.

I could imagine and connect the dots now!

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Post ID: @r8+1k4ckevrq

scrum master role disappeared since 2010s, I dont know any pure scrum master anymore....

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Post ID: @qx+1k4ckevrq

Don‘t spread rumors!!!

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Post ID: @qk+1k4ckevrq

Fresh rumour mill from WDF
Not 100% confirmed, evaluate from other sources:
After HPOM related reorgs and re-evaluating some of the the roles - Scrum master role is under serious consideration to be modified or axed completely. Scrum masters to be asked to switch to another role or let go.

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Post ID: @qg+1k4ckevrq

@m9 52% have customer in their department name. Another 46% have strategyoperationsengineeringproduct* in their department name. That leaves 2% “I’ll work on a useless deck with animation” power pointers. Is everything for customers now self-service via Joule?

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Post ID: @mh+1k4ckevrq

50 people are affected in the UK as follow:

Board Area No. of All Roles Redundancies

Customer Services
& Delivery | 553 | 2
Customer Success | 681 | 24
Global Finance &
Administration. | 54 | 1
OCEO | 26 | 0
People & Culture | 61 | 0
Product & Engineering | 141 | 7
Strategy & Operations | 176 | 16

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Post ID: @m9+1k4ckevrq

Can we please focus on restructuring information

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Post ID: @m2+1k4ckevrq

@kt No, buy gold and go back to the gold standard. One of the truest forms of currencies that has been the store of wealth for thousands of years. But they won't allow this and some countries have been toppled as a result of challenging the global fiat system. P/E ratios across the equities space is peaking ridiculously, and people don't know where to head to next.

Imagine if SAP began paying gold and not salaries via bank direct deposit. Then your living standards will be pegged against inflation, but not good for SAP because it would have to figure out how to mine and store this gold when it sells software to customers.

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Post ID: @m1+1k4ckevrq

For those talking about currency debasement and endless money printing…Bitcoin fixes this!

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Post ID: @kt+1k4ckevrq

@jr Blame the governments because they are ultimately responsible for the health of the economy and your living standards. Your living standards are going backwards because of these persistent, boomer-era economic management policies that have debased your currencies. Whoever told us that an inflation target range of 2-3% forever is a mo*on.

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Post ID: @ka+1k4ckevrq

Which board area and which countries are impacted/notified?

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Post ID: @k3+1k4ckevrq

Don‘t blame immigrants. Also, don‘t blame the governments, it is justified but not helpful.

Blame the board. Blame their disgusting bonus greed, which makes them run roughshot over customers, partners, employees and the Long-term viability of SAP as a company!

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Post ID: @jr+1k4ckevrq

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