I'd expect more people running for the door considering the current situation at SAS, but the fact is that the only reason turnover is low right now is that the job market is a disaster. People are not staying because they love it here. They are staying because they have nowhere else to go.
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People are staying for the Art Department, which is safe.
If you're not keeping up to date on your skills and practicing interviewing, you're doing yourself a disservice.
Jobs are out there, it's a combination of preparation and luck to seize on that opportunity.
God love a billionaire who is more ethical than your average billionaire!
Be thankful you still have a job even if it's not the job you like. Our billionaire owners are more ethical than most.
It could be worse, like this story https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JFcihaAfMs4
People rig the vote because they feel hurt when the voting goes against them.
... they feel butthurt when the voting goes against them.
FTFY
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
@wd Internet shrink to the rescue!!
@s5 We have no evidence of Dunning-Kruger Effect in this context.
The simplest explanation for vote-rigging is the same in any election. People rig the vote because they feel hurt when the voting goes against them.
@qt I’m sure some of you internet shrinks can come up with some other motivations. Probably dunning-kruger…
@kx That must be the motive. Someone getting downvoted got their feelings hurt, and wrote a script to make the hurtful downvotes go away.
That's sad, but what other motivation could there be?
@kp
With no evidence to the contrary, our hero Zero can claim they were the most popular girl at prom!
The vote maintainer is back again
It's a time to hunker down and learn.
No, you should have been learning all along, as a lifelong learner, whether through on-the-job training, continuing education classes, or self-study. You should have been pressing your employer to pony up for those continuing education classes. If you hadn’t, then it’s on you.
Look, you only work 7 hours in the day for that 35 hour workweek. That leaves 17 hours left in the day during which you could have been learning. Think about that.
https://loopofthought.substack.com/p/the-golden-age-of-software-jobs-is
The chicken farmers ain’t buying that, either.
@fb No i just thought about it some more and am exceedingly confident that all the peoples agree with me.
If you can’t beat them (I can) join them (YOLO).
And if you work in SAS9 just plan to hunker down. Your ANT, XML, and Java 8 skills will only get you laughed at in interviews.
@cq most people would disagree with you.
"the only reason turnover is low right now is that the job market is a disaster..."
That's true of the software industry in general, not just SAS. Few companies are hiring, except for specialized AI roles. Many are laying off.
If you have a job, you can get them to pay you to learn the latest skills -- or at least to pay you while you learn on the side.
It's a time to hunker down and learn.
@cj The difference is I never claimed to know.
I merely say that it is irrational in the extreme to believe that this person (you…) has knowledge of what “most people” at SAS feel about the company.
If I make such a claim I will NEVER phrase it in a way that tries to indicate that “most people” agree with me. I’ll simply speak for myself and let others speak for themselves.
You be you.
@cf I'm not in "fantasy land", and personal attacks aren't rational arguments.
Without data, it does not make sense to say that @bv does not speak for most people.
I believe they speak for many at SAS. But whether that's a majority, I do not know.
No one has done opinion polling on this issue, so you don't know either.
If you have data, then you have "The Power to Know". Otherwise, you don't.
@cb People that try to speak for “most people” of any group instead of speaking for themselves are usually pinnacles of reliability.
@cb That does not make any sense. In what world is it more realistic to believe that a person speaks for most of 10-12k people versus to believe that they don’t speak for that many people.
What are the odds they even know 500 people at SAS well enough to know their inner feelings about whether they like it or not? Much less most of 10-12k people.
You are in fantasy land if you think that way.
I’m staying because Daddy gives me a job in perpetuity! I’m ready to fail upwards for the seventh time!
@OP
I've got some bad news for you OP... most people at SAS haven't been staying because they want to for most of ten years or so now. There were plenty too close to retirement to want to rock the boat, and there are others with children in school or college or other obligations who put their families first. There are plenty who don't have portable skills and who can't find a job somewhere else, despite desperately trying, and there are some that do but who would never get hired into a position that pays as well or with as much autonomy as their position at SAS. And finally, there are more than a few rats on the sinking ship, trying as hard as possible to eat all the other rats to "lighten the load" before the ship goes down. But they just got fatter and filled the bilge with what's left of the other rats. Where were all those tu-ds and bones going to go, after all? So they didn't lighten the load at all. Someone is still doing all that work, sometimes the work of two or three people that left SAS. They're not getting paid more for it, and the only way to escape it is to leave the company (if they can - see above).
@ae Not Jim -- just an old timer who remembers doing good and purposeful work.
I left a few years ago, because of a poor manager and a product that changed direction. I found better work and a better manager. I've never regretted joining SAS or leaving.
The job market has become much tougher since then. If I were at SAS now, I'd have difficulty finding a better job. I'd be hunkered down, doing exactly what they told me, not making waves, getting paid while learning all I could about AI.
Good luck to all.
@a5 Long tall Jim has entered the chat...
@a5 Not so. I worked at SAS because I liked it.
In the old days, management was better, and we created good value for our customers.
Things changed. I left. Those in the current job market have all my sympathy.
Newsflash, compadre: no one works because they like it