I remember when this was a company people loved working for. The culture and morale were positive. I really miss those days and often wonder where it all went wrong.
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@jg Luca was also humane towards employees. Unlike the current board.
@ft Signavio was a bad acquisition. Dominik Asam is a much better CFO than Luca could ever be. Instead of new products and features, now we can focus on improving AI and employee layoffs.
I'm being sarcastic here. I really miss Luca. He was aggressive and wanted to grow SAP unlike Dominik and Christian who only want to squeeze every cent from the employee salary budget for their personal bonuses before they retire.
@e6 I think the hateful person brings up Signavio every time because they found out that Signavio had a larger immigrant population than other areas at SAP. Haters gonna hate.
@ed Whatever point you might or might not have is completely made invalid by your foul language.
Be better than that.
@df+1kfx6g7d4 If you really a manager of managers then you are what SAP is, a piece of deep rotten $#|T. You must be a German working from Waldorf or Rot where no other company exists and this is your life line. You have also joined SAP as an intern and plans to retire and have not worked anywhere else in Germany or in the world that's why you are deep rooted racist.
If SAP is you and you are SAP then both needs to go bankrupt!
everything fine in the discussion, I am not sure why Signavio is included in every forum of discussion. Something not correct. Does it mean there are no issues in other acquired products and cultures, yes there are. Including 'immigrants' topic in discussions also not equally correct. I dont think these are worth posting here. Please consult your attorney if you see that the treatment is not fair for you. This forum is used to create fear, doubts and dividing people, rathar than providing constructive advice.
Well - SAP used to have some exceptionally talented leaders. My boss and his predecessor were amazing. Despite managing a large, global team - my boss made every person feel special, and their contribution valued. He knew everyone, had time for each person and knew every employee by name. When he left because he had a significantly different vision for our team - it was a crushing blow from which we never recovered. The team fell apart, the old boys club managers took over and rewarded and protected their incompetent friends. They drove my team into the ground and the only people left are those who could never find employment or an equivalent salary outside of SAP, so they have to cling on despite how depressing it has become. You can have excellent products but if the employees no longer care to contribute their most valuable commodity, their time, there is only so much a product can do. We lost courageous, innovative and compassionate leaders who deeply cared about the employees and the future of the company, who would take risks and make bold decisions, and replaced them with people who are about self-preservation and view the company as a place they can extract benefit from - not contribute to. When your manager is motivated purely by self-interest, they will not lead, they will not take risks, they will simply rubber stamp every decision so they can cling onto their life raft, even if that means sinking the ship. Nurturing a culture of growth and a multiplier mindset is an intentional act requiring daily focus - when you lose that, you become any one of the large companies that rose to great heights, only to ultimately decline. SAP is now busy throwing everyone overboard to try and save a sinking ship. In ten years. SAP will be about 40,000 employees on life support, trying to drain every penny from its few customers trapped on legacy systems, and frankly, SAP deserves it because of how they allowed, no encouraged, employees to be unethical in the name of self preservation.
@df your last two paragraphs say the same thing but with different words. My money says this is a botched bot or someone who doesn't even speak English and is using some translation software.
Anyone here, how can I report a comment to be removed from this forum? Not only is this person/bot being divisive and hateful, they are also adding no value to the discussion.
Stay optimistic. The good old days will return! Soon!
The executive board having control over the supervisory board. HRBP and executives having control over Betriebsrat members. There are no checks and balances anymore.
@az I tried. But Betriebsrat members like her were forced out of SAP when they clashed with HR and these executives. She took VERP and left.
@av Why did you not lodge a formal complaint with the Betriebsrat member? They take discrimination very seriously.
There are reasons behind this I suppose. I joined as part of the Signavio acquisition and was made a catalyst. I looked forward to good growth because I was doing so well at work. And then our leadership got taken over by long-term SAP career politicians. And then they started to give each other promotions and RSUs. I was so motivated 3-5 years ago and I feel so demotivated now. I put in 150% of what I could do, joined customer meetings and traveled to meet them face to face, hit every KPI and OKR I could. And yet, on an average, I got a lower salary hike than colleagues who joined from Walldorf and Rot even though I was in the Catalyst program. Now I try to do the bare minimum and just get by. I am not an overachiever and not an underperformer; I am average and I do just enough. I was brought into the false promise that more effort meant more growth or salary but that isn't true. All that matters is how well you know some SAP executives and if you can move teams or roles every year.
I think the highlight of my time was when I spoke with a Betriebsrat member a couple of years ago regarding RSUs. She told me that some RSUs were specifically created to retain employees from an acquisition area. But she and some Betriebsrat members had checked and found that a majority of RSUs were distributed amongst long-term SAP employees who joined the area after the acquisition. She said they fought with the executives and HRs a lot but lost every battle because the new employees did not know about RSUs or were scared to speak up against their new managers. I call it a highlight because it was eye opening and I learnt what it means to work in a "corporate" company.
I will never know what OP is talking about because I never felt welcome at SAP. And did not experience a positive culture morale because we had a reorganization every quarter. But I know the positive feelings from Signavio and from my jobs before that. My overall experience at SAP has been quite negative so when the job market improves, I will make a move to another company. I don't see myself as someone who will stay at SAP for 20 years and backstab colleagues to get a promotion and steal their RSUs. I don't have the stomach for that.
Even in those good old days, SAP management and employees didn’t managed to create a single successful product that lasted and were focused on acquiring product companies to keep the revenue stream going. For how long would the kicking of can last?
@a3 Addendum: I still love to work for SAP, but only because my immediate surroundings are like the old SAP.
It started to go wrong with Leo. Jim managed to improve the situation again, but once he was gone it was a downhill movement until the current board, which is the most employee-hostile I have ever seen anywhere.