Which team will be laid off next?
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"That's the beauty of working in FED ;)
Layoff someone in FED and they still have to go hire another US citizen anyways"
I get what you ate saying but just because they let FED employees go doesn't they will be replaced. 60% oh my team in FED got kayed off in March and have not been replaced. Our boss says there's no plans in the near future to refill any of those positions.
@hv Yup, exactly! A lot of people in here know nothing about the FED department, nor how it works so have NO idea of what tf they are talking about.
Outsourcing is not an option for FED. Never has been and never will be.
@hf That's the beauty of working in FED ;)
Layoff someone in FED and they still have to go hire another US citizen anyways... Can't layoff a FED employee and then outsource that job to India for half the salary.
It's literally against US government policy and law. Dell doesn't have the choice to outsource as long as there are government contracts in place with the FED department.
This goes from anybody from Sales to DEVS to IT, Cyber, Tech support, etc... NOBODY in FED can live outside the US and MUST be a US CITIZEN.
Source - I work in Security and Compliance for FED .
@tn Don't worry. It literally can't happen lol.
@tp FED support quite literally CANNOT be outsourced, you toaster.
FED = FEDERAL. As in everything within the FED department is US government. I 10000000% promise you that FED will not, and cannot be outsourced in any possible way lol.
We can't even screenshare with corporate unless EVERYBODY is Fed vetted - meaning, you are a US citizen AND live on US soil. He-l, even for 3rd party support, the techs HAVE to be US based and US citizens.
So no, FED will never be outsourced you clown.
I’ve read the document discussing plans to outsource support for FED and PSONE, and this is some serious stuff happening in the company right now. They’re actively working on it.
I work in FED and our customers would lose their sh1t if they outsourced us.
@jb To start with, I'm not in sales or tech support but do work in FED. Given the 3 letter agencies and military divisions FED does have contracts with (DoD, ARMY, DoE and DoE, Navy, etc.. to name a few ) those aren't going away anytime soon... While I'm not in Sales, I do know that FED sales brings in quite a significant amount of money considering the size of the sales dept. in FED. Which is a SUPER TINY group compared to Corp Sales teams. I forget what the $ numbers are but it's significant.
It may not bring in a lot year round but during FBS, that's when the bulk of the money is made. That's a LOT of money for Dell to lose by simply ending contracts as it's not saving dell money but, would absolutely lose them money. The FED department isn't going anywhere is my point.
You really think Dell is going to just let their competitors, HP and Lenovo specifically, get all the government contracts? HE-L no.
I'd say more but, it'd give away the group I work for but I will say this much. We are building DR sites and those take a while to build up. If Dell truly had plans to dismantle the FED department, then this wouldn't be happening as it costs 10's of millions to do.
I just posted this earlier for the FED accounts:
It’s the same playbook they used with PS and PSP contracts, they change the terms and push lobbying to get it all deregulated. Look up what Microsoft is doing with Pentagon federal contracts, and you’ll get a glimpse of what Dell is aiming for. They’ve got a four-year window to pull it off before they get even a token slap on the wrist. Again people are not aware of what is going on in the company, i don't understand why.
If you’re in tech support, brace yourself for a PIP. They’re using remote sites to push this, and plenty of employees have already quit and more will follow. Some just can’t handle a PIP and will leave on their own. Honestly, I don’t care, I’ve been through worse stressful jobs, so a PIP doesn’t faze me at all. Give my package and then i will leave.
They’re planning to cut 20% of tech support jobs, and they’ll do it in the nastiest way possible. They will most likely target RDR as part of their cost-cutting strategy.
People need to come together and organize to stand up against these kinds of abuses.
@hh The current fed contracts (at least the ones I am involved with) require Americans on American soil. Given the government entities involved, this requirement is not going away. If Dell tries to outsource those the best case scenario is all the fed money goes away. The worst case scenario is massive litigations.
Have you seen the hotel in Miami that outsourced the front desk check in to India via video?
Yes, I know, that’s precisely why they’re pushing the whole “global” agenda. It’s the only real motive. L2s and L3s will be hit as well, yet employees keep buying into the false narrative, blind to what upper management is quietly setting up against them.I saw this coming years ago. For the past seven years, company emails hinted at the move, each year the plan became clearer, yet employees’ awareness was gradually eroded. They’re also preparing to outsource FED and PSONE.
@hc All Dell jobs below the c suite are being automated or moved to India. It's the only thing they know how to do.
Your job will also be automated or moved to India.
Scheduling and dispatch. They are the cancer of tech support. Can’t wait for the system to be fully automated. They are ALL bunch of c*nts! None of them have third level education and they act like they are so powerful and important. Literally nobody wants to work with them. Not even managers.
@b5 As they should. It’s their lack of strategy and direction that causes us to falter. I’ve never in my professional career seen so much “protected” upper management. It’s like they don’t hold them accountable for the cr-p show and bad decisions.
Not SRO but probably tech support and ISG again if I had to guess
@dh That's also a likely possibility but i dont think VP's are putting up with much cr-p in all honesty... THey are the ones spewing the cr-p on everyone else. Essentially, JC poops, then hands it down to his reports, which is then handed down to their VP's, and then those VP's throw it at us.
THEY aren't the ones actually eating the cr-p. WE are.
@d6 Pretty sure some of the VPs have left Dell voluntarily because they couldn't take the cr-p anymore either
I always find it humorous, and a bit insulting tbh, when the big cheeses of orgs send out an email letting everyone know that a VP is no longer a VP at Dell.
They always word it as if they chose to leave and found a new "endeavor," when in fact, they were fired. Sorry but, VP's don't just leave a fortune 500 company when they are easily bringing in half a mil/year.
The ONLY reason a VP would choose to leave Dell is if they found a job higher up than VP (President or Sr.VP role) elsewhere and it paid more than what they make at Dell. Which is unlikely.
When you are at the VP level, jobs aren't exactly abundant... Which is why VP's get INSANE severance packages. My dad was a VP at Motorolla back in the day and was let go. He was collecting severance for 10 years lmfao. He never found another VP role and ended up taking a sr. director role 5 years later at AMD, while still collecting his severance.
Upper leadership should be more transparent. I mean, VP's do get fired/let go too, just less often. A simple "We have decided to part ways with XYZ" would be sufficient but, no VP is going to simply leave a 500k job is my point lol.
I know Scott Adams dis graced himself.But back in the 80s and early 90s when downsizing and outsourcing were the management fads, , there was a story line in the comic strip Dilbert where the CEO, depicted as a demon, tasks Dilbert with determining which jobs could be outsourced. The conclusion, all but one. And as Dilbert points out. “And only one of us thought of that.”
Is it tech support by any chance?
VP's is what i heard
@OP Can we layoff Bain and any other consultants?
@c1 there's one in ISG support that I know of that got a 1x1 invite for Monday.
Maybe marketing. Have they started outsourcing marketing?
Really? Most likely not…
Layoffs still happening right now in ISG on a friday.
No idea for next week.
Hopefully mine!
Executive level is going to be next!!! Also the Cowboys are making it to the SuperBowl this year!