Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

@108 the pademic showed the world WFH does work, and it generates significantly more revenue for the companies compared to RTO. According to your great overlord corporate leaders: "change is the only constant"... unless it comes to something that benefits your employees, then sorry bud but you will have to come back to the office 5 days a week.

The real reason for RTO is quite simple, Cisco and all other gigacorpos have x year leases for buildings they operate out of, which sit empty and unused losing money with the WFH model. They want you back in the office to get use out of their corporate offices.

Can someone know confirmed that Collab in-deed has multiple software engineers openings just posted in different part of Europe? Is it true?

Here is what I did not understand. Many employee were self-motivated to use spec development, AI-generated design/review, and put/improve in guardian agent in their repo (this is a continuous work) to warren the quality and reduce regression. You really do not need to force that because that is where motivated employee knows that they need to do for their next job. One thing product team did good is that it is willing to spend and give multiple AI tools for employee to use. The fact Collab has a lot engineers not doing that with all the excuses is telling you - many of those just trying to hang on to the last minutes then get a package. If you are one of those - why complain?

RTO was never an issue before pandemic. Why would that be an issue after? So you have a long commute, and are you going to blame CISCO for the high housing price and where you choice to live? Before pandemic, some teams had people showing up 50% of the time and never had a problem. Companies did not need to force. Those people know they need to show up in person for important discussion/meeting, and they can be flexible the rest. I think because after pandemic - some NEVER shows up or only shows up very sparsely. Those actually think they have the right to WFH. That was the problem. For those that demand WFH primarily, look for the companies that allow that as part of your offer letter. Many other companies in the valley enforced this RTO much more harsh than CISCO.

@hj
Karlheinz Wurm: Make Europe Great Again!

Like other companies, Cisco will need to learn the hard way about over-reliance on AI. Unfortunately, it'll take a couple years.

@fd Preach!!

Just a casual observation. Karl Heinz Wurm sitting in Munich while promoting RTO and outsourcing American jobs to Europe. Cisco has a hiring freeze yet we have job openings in Europe to replace Americans and. This doesn’t add up.

" Karlheinz Wurm " !

BWAHAHAHAHAAA !!

"Will we compensate people for gas and time lost coming into the office? Thats not part of Cisco's policy its your responsability to take care of that" lol thanks lets create a problem and expect you to pay for it

Create a problem? This is how work has worked for most people for longer than I've been alive. It's not just that so many of you aren't competent but you've become spoiled as well.

Karl Heinz Wurm has openly said his goal is to fire American workers in his organization and move jobs to Europe or China. He needs to move to Silicon Valley or go.

Webex doesn’t have a business case. Why would anyone go for it? And don’t argue with edge cases and hardware. Cisco is keeping the brand separate, hoping to find someone d-mb enough to buy it. No “innovation” can fix or justify the market position of Webex. All the RTO stuff is so ridiculous, same level as the McDonalds CEO “enjoying” their new product

Shows how little the fools know. You don't need to "force" AI at all. AI is used where it is relevant and can add value. The clowns at Cisco just have this "AI, AI, AI" mantra in their silly little heads and think it can help to boil an egg or sweep the yard. Fu--ing useless clowns with zero technical awareness.

All hands session2 had better questions than hijacking with only RTO queries

I feel like I’m going insane watching the markets bounce back every time POTUS makes an optimistic post on social media. Even if this war ended tomorrow (and it won’t) how do people who invest in this stuff for a living not realize that we’ve already done damage that will take years, or even decades, to recover from?

@b2 I'm not kidding, there was a flood of really direct and blunt questions mocking leadership, growth, direction, AI & RTO the entire time hour. It does seem that these sentiments are the majority. The problem is nobody wants their name out there. I wouldn't be surprised if the next allhands had anonymous commenting disabled because of the shitstorm Slido became.

Pushback against RTO and AI enshitification would only work if your org isn’t full of bootlickers

Do as I say, don't do as I do.