I am completely desperate from RTO so I turned on LI that i am available to switch, but i consider only remote opportunities ... it looks like something has changed last 2-3 weeks and i am getting like 4-6 offers a day in IT roles. Is it only my feeling or is it for real, that market finally realized the remote work is good for the company?
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@cp
the fiscal year starts in october for a lot companies
that's when they get their shiny new budgets
@kc
it's not AI
it's statistics and math
@gn "Also, as a fun fact... Most of the RR buildings were actually parking garages for a development that never happened. Dell bought those garages and turned them into office buildings. It's SUPER obvious in some of the bulidings too."
Tell us you know absolutely nothing about the Dell RR campus lol. A lot of us were here then, they were built from the ground up as Dell buildings on Dell property, which was farm land with cows on it until 1999.
When people realize they are talking to a robot in a chat, they go away, the chat is time out, they try again until they are facing a real human, this is AI failure, few people continue with the agentic IA chatter...
It’s starting to dawn on all of these companies that AI is not the magic solution to all things that was promised.
@fd lol no. the main reason for RTO was because dell was doing what other companies were doing and/or wanted an excuse to even have those buildings. They were virtually unused for almost 5 years but, they still had to pay taxes, elec bills, water bills, etc etc etc... which was a LOT of money down the toilet.
@fd Yes, RR is Dell HQ and you are right. They do own those buildings. They may not pay rent but they still pay property tax on them...
How expensive do you think the price tag to keep the lights on in 6 buildings is? It's enormous. To keep the water on, to have security patrol those buildings. To have landscapers keep the grounds looking nice. To have maintaince upkeep the buildings so they don't go to sh-t, etc etc etc... THAT is a LOT of money to spend on buildings that nobody is even in...
What about all the small satellite offices Dell has around the world, or even the US? Most, if not all are not owned but are rented. The Richardson office was recently closed and so anybody in the dallas/richardson area was then forced to be full remote. Now they are stuck with no promotion ability unless they pick up their family and lives to move to Austin... Which Dell will not help with, either.
Also, as a fun fact... Most of the RR buildings were actually parking garages for a development that never happened. Dell bought those garages and turned them into office buildings. It's SUPER obvious in some of the bulidings too.
@cq - it amazes me how people get on here and just talk out of their a-s. Dell owns the buildings in RR. They aren't paying rent. They are paying maintenance, taxes, etc. The main reason for the RTO was the property tax incentives the local government was going to take back.
Dell signed a 100yr deal with the city of round rock for right before all the RTO noise started.
https://communityimpact.com/austin/round-rock/government/2024/04/26/dell-signs-century-long-agreement-with-the-city-of-round-rock/
Smart companies have realized RTO doesn’t impact the bottom line. They are softening to hybrid or fully remote. The ones that don’t are having to pay much higher salaries to attract people to commute into major cities. Amazon for instance, now offering over $200K for program managers. Yes, program managers. Catch, you have to commute into the major cities. Those jobs are staying open, no one wants that added burden of the commute and its costs to go into an office and sit in a cube where your entire team is still on zoom. There’s no collaboration in person. There’s no impact on morale, it’s the complete opposite. You beat a dog long enough, eventually it bites back.
@OP No, employers gave just realized no one is applying for anything but remite jobs, so they post openings for remote jobs. Then when you get the job they tell you to come into the office for a few weeks for training. Then when training is over they give you some goals to hit before you can be full remote. The goals are usually pretty unrealistic and if you somehow manage to hit them, the boss just moves the goalposts.
@c7 As someone who is actively looking for a new job, I'd say that 50% are totally fine with full remote, 1/4th want hybrid - 3 days in office, 2 at home - and the other 1/4th wants full time in office.
Realistically, covid changed the entire dynamic and caused a massive proble3m for companies. NOBODY wants to go into the office anymore when they can do the SAME job at home. Therefore, those wanting full time in office jobs are likely getting very few hits and the hits they DO get are from desperate ppl who aren't qualified.
When companies first started the mandatory full remote thing 5 years ago, there were studies that proved that productivity actually IMPROVED. Not decreased. Now, companies are saying the opposite simply because they have all these empty buildings they are paying a buttload of money for to keep on the electricity so, of course they want ppl back.
Using Dell as an example... RR campus has like 6 buildings theyve been paying rent on, electric bills, water, maintence, security, etc... for YEARS. To have them sit empty. So what do they do? They implement mandatory 5 day in office work weeks to make themselves feel as if those buildings aren't just a money pit.
BUT, nobody stays in office for more than a few hours if they don't have to. In RR1, it's a literal ghost town after 11am. So great, dell got their money's worth for 15 hours/week!
@c7 Sounds like a YOU problem buddy. Job market isn't great but it's not that bad, either. It's also 3rd/4th quarter for most companies and they are playing it safe. Best time to apply for jobs is end of 1st quarter. Not end of year.
What rock did you people crawl out from? The job market is in the toilet. I've gotten more emails in the last month that said you are great, but the company has pulled back the job because of the market. More if those than sorry we went with another candidate. Very bad right now..
Lower fed rate signaling a jab in the arm to the economy is coming (I guess inflation be damned) and H1-B visas now coming with a $100k application fee, AI not living up to the human replacement hype, have companies rushing to hire good talent that just got let go in these massive lay offs before the job market swings back into the favor of the workforce. Aka these companies just fired a bunch of people, and now they get to hire them back in the next few years at 20-30% more in labor costs. What a brilliant plan! In the last two weeks myself and others have seen a significant uptick in accelerated final round interviews and even offers. The pendulum always swings back.
A wire story on WBZ radio this morning mentioned that many companies are demanding RTO but it’s tough to enforce when the boss is at home half the time.
Because employers never actually cared where employees worked, they wanted folks to leave to save on layoff packages.
actual offers or just inquires. big difference between the two.
seems the market is quietly picking up again.