Thread regarding Verizon Communications Inc. layoffs

@fw this has to be the most ridiculous and nonsensical post I’ve ever read on here, and that saying something

I’m glad we could all come to agreement and that we’re going to work together harmoniously from this point forward!

Let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya!

LOL!

@fw Verizon Wireless is dying a more accelerated death now. Vz Wireless will not be around for 6G. They failed miserably on 5G. If you can’t see which way this company is going, I won’t be able to change your mind. Go back a calendar year. It’s a strategy. Not saying it’s good, but wireless is being gutted

@fp You clearly don't understand the business! It will take years to get Verizon owned fiber laid in our area whereas Zayo put the fiber in the ground already and ATT - T-mobile ride on it as well. So please... Verizon is NOT going to spend the money to put fiber on the poles or in the ground when Zayo already has it there for a frigg'n cell site. Take a course in "cost based analysis" for gods sake! We pay 250 per month for 8 strands to land in our cell site in our market... You are telling me that the cost putting in that fiber into our site that Zayo has already can beat that cost? Dude... what planet to do live on, clearly not Earth! The fact is companies like Zayo beat Verizon to market... we lost... DEAL WITH IT!

@b5 Seems you are part of the problem, no wonder Verizon is having issues.

@a9 You can't combine the two as the two are like oil and water when it comes to networks. Wireless can't operate like wireline as it needs to be nibble and fast pace moving. Wirelines process and unions would set wireless back 100 years. Look at ATT, have of their wireless is union and the other half is not. The non union keeps ATT wireless alive and working! I know, I worked there for years and years! When there is a site outage a union ATT tech is sent to the site, "Ticket rejected, unsafe conditions". ATT then sends the ticket over to the legacy Cingular tech and the tech arrives and resolves the issue. When asked to document the "unsafe condition" the legacy Cingular tech reports back with a photo of dog p-o in front of the access gate. The legacy Cingular tech simply stepped over it and restored the cell site. That tech was me. Wireless is fast pace, technology moves at light speed in wireless and wireless does not have time for old way of thinking and slow moving as wireline does. I have been in many VZB CO's with equipment that has not been upgraded for 20 years! Most cell sites are upgraded every 5 to 8 years and often times a complete gut-out and replace. CDMA lasted about 10 years, 4G is on it way out, about 10 years... 5G still being built out build will be replaced with 6G in about 10 years....

OP is clearly wireless and doesn’t understand the costs associated with a backhaul network, specifically the benefits of owned vs. leased. They need each other to survive and potentially become profitable. Builds are very expensive, but reliance on another companies generosity for back haul is more costly.

@bd I was well aware of that. I was only pushing back against the oft repeated fallacy that without wireline’s fiber, wireless would have no way of connecting their cell sites.

As stated previously there are multiple fiber providers but wireless favors using Verizon fiber when it’s available for obvious reasons. There have been many instances where Verizon fiber has longer lead times but we’ve put up with the delay rather than give the business to another provider.

@c2 “ maybe you need a refresher course” The remake of Fletch totally su-ked

@af agree it’s more of a union/non-union thing or craft/management

It’s all ball bearings - Fletch

@as Verizon provides backhaul for other cell providers as well.Verizon leases fiber from companies like AT&T, Comcast, and Crown Castle outside its primary footprint,it regularly sells backhaul services to those same companies inside its own footprint to optimize costs and deployment. I suppose they could sell it off . I dont know but I do know a 10 gig pipe aint what it used to be. Most of the co eqpt is becoming obsolete .

@b5 We’ve been one company since 2014. In addition, Verizon moved the wireless products and services into the Verizon Consumer and Verizon Business, divisions and stopped using the Verizon Wireless name in 2019.

You’re up to speed now!

Post this cr-p in the wireless board.

@aq Verizon wireline isn’t the only option for backhaul to a cell site. There are many competing fiber providers. The days of LEC monopoly are long gone so you need to bring your thinking up to date.

Let’s sell wireless back to Vodaphone

@aq As stated originally "There are a lot of fiber providers" including AT&T, Comcast, Crown Castle (now Zayo), etc... and wireless has used them to connect dem cell towers when Verizon fiber wasn't available. Wireless prefers to use Verizon owned fiber and pay another department within the same company instead of giving more business to a competitor. I hope that's not too hard to understand!

Money staying within the company = good!
Money going to a competitor = not great!

so dem cell towers ,how they linked together and how does the "cloud" work ?Wireline is crucial to VZ . At least for now

I think they hate wireless because wireless isn’t union. Either that or because for years the company invested in wireless while neglecting wireline. But I agree it’s time to act like one company.

@OP but combining back to one group - VZ 1.0 would sure remove a lot of overlap and reduce opex dramatically.

OP, stop the divisiveness. Enough already.

@OP what is wireline and what is wireless? I thought we were past that point by now. We are Claude and Gemeni and perhaps another group will show up as Cursor....Dan :)