From a meeting today
The unsaid part is also if you are WFM expect to be treated differently from now on. Less or No promotions, more scrutinized, first on the downsizing list. I think its safe to say Quiet Layoffs are in full effect. The playbook is done at every company that has done return to office.
@19m yes. They are being called “Head of” their respective functions
@1js I'm an IC and my level is N5
From what I understand, "N4" is the next level of management, and the "N" stands for "Number". My question is do ICs (individual contributors) have an identifier as well?
What is n4?
@19v the reorg will be complete by July 1st. N-4 level is next then N-5 level.
@19m seems to be true. Senior managers and manager layoff is coming very shortly.
Is it true vp and svp titles are no longer?
Might as well go in before we all get replaced by cheap Indian or manilla labor.
@k5 Since when? Official comms said 3x / week.
@a9 **4 days a week
The more you prove that your role can effectively be performed remotely, the more the company realizes that your job can be done from anywhere on the planet. And there are plenty of places on the planet that cost a lot less than the US.
@eh There's been plenty of research that shows that remote working increases productivity. It certainly did for me. Sitting in an office meant constant distractions.
What they're pi---d off about is the fact that you could sneak off for a couple of extra bathroom breaks without them knowing. Since they pay you, they feel that they own you. Obviously, as long as the work still gets done to a satisfactory level, this shouldn't be an issue. But when you've got a room full of incompetent executives in a meeting room discussing why the company they're paid to run isn't doing too swell, there's not really going to be anyone piping up to go "Maybe we're the problem? The guys getting paid millions of dollars yet still can't turn this ship around?" They'll simply let the sh-t roll down hill, like always. They're not the problem, the problem is WFH! Employees being paid too much! Benefits that are too good! We have too many workers! The ones who are left after we sacked a bunch of their colleagues aren't motivated enough! Then they'll pat each other on the back, get a nice bonus, and then it all starts over again once the next fiscal quarter rolls around.
Some people DO abuse WFH and I’m not arguing with that.
But it’s no different than people who su-k at work anyway. We don’t need collective punishment for the people who are never available or don’t get their jobs done.
If someone is not performing when they work from home, odds are they aren’t going to in the office either.
Maybe there should be a system where if people aren’t available or miss a meeting a certain number of times, they lose their WFH privilege (or job?)
We wouldn’t collectively punish everyone in the office if one person was fu--ing off.
So the abuse thing is just an excuse. It’s an easy way to get people to quit is all.
@bp that's only assuming you still have a job. Like i said, better lawyer up ahead so you're prepared when that 15 min invite hits your inbox.
You mean I won't get the opportunities and promotions I never got anyway?
Winter is coming. Best to lawyer up before it hits.
People definitely abuse WFH.
This sounds like it’s about to become an HR and/or legal issue if true. Is it not discrimination?
@an lack of trust / abuse of privilege
I still have no clue why this company hates wfh so much. Also going back to the office isn't going to magically fix the "culture" we have. Which thinking about it now, they just want more control on their employees.
@ag that’s fine and I believe that has already been communicated, but what was said to make OP say remote workers would be treated differently going forward
Compliance was told today on all hands that Compliance Org will no longer be hiring fully remote going forward.
Who was in this meeting?
Is this applicable to all WFH employees? Certain orgs or departments?
We already know that people who work from home, have an office work location, and are within 1 hour commute must return to office 3 days a week.
Why are we punishing the truly remote workers who are not near an office?
Some of us are ok with this anyway, if I can be left alone to do my job, I don’t care about promotions and titles and climbing the ladder.