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Low cost EVs from BYD and Geely entering the American auto market

The Ch1nese already own Volvo, MG and Lotus. I read today that Geely, the Ch1nese company that already owns Volvo is going to take over for Renault (a french company) in Brazil. Right now, new Volvos in America are Ch1nese. I wonder how long it takes for BYD to start flooding our market with another failed Western auto company (or Nissan). They are definitely looking to buy more brands to enter more markets.

The average cost of a BYD in Europe is 26k (American dollars; 22,990 euros). This is putting a big hurt on VW, Nissan and others. What would a 26k BYD re-badged as a VW or Nissan do to the American car market? And given that in mainland Ch1na, there's a price war, would it be possible for them to flood our market at below cost vehicles just to crush the competition?

I believe this very subject is the reason our SLT is panicking, while making very bad decisions. They know they either become BYD, or get crushed by BYD. This is a harsh reality most are unaware of.

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I don't know who'll win the Chinese EV war, byd, geely, or someone else, but by definition they'll be Chinese, and they'll be ready to fight to win in the rest of the world.

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BYD’s $45 Billion Stock Wipeout Raises Doubts on China Outlook
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/byd-45-billion-stock-wipeout-045735285.html

(Bloomberg) -- BYD Co. faces pressure to restore investor confidence after a $45 billion stock selloff, with growing concerns over its ability to fend off competition amid a destructive price war in China.

The Chinese electric-vehicle maker’s Hong Kong-listed shares have tumbled more than 30% from the all-time high reached just four months ago, underperforming peers. Analyst sell ratings on BYD have surged to the highest level since 2022, Bloomberg-compiled data show.

Investors are losing patience with BYD’s strategy of taking the lead on deep discounts, while the government is clamping down on the so-called involution wreaking havoc on the industry. At the same time, rivals including Geely Automobile Holdings Ltd. and Zhejiang Leapmotor Technology Co. are gaining ground.

The race to the bottom starts in China. Something to think about.

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Post ID: @e76+1jx7qvmvz

Q: "Hey how did you break out of prison?"

A: "Well, there was only the one bar."

Q: "What were you in prison for?"

A: "Racist and animal."

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Post ID: @1y4+1jx7qvmvz

"put you behind the bar"

Oh Shen, you never disapproint.

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Post ID: @1wn+1jx7qvmvz

@1v4
Took you long enough Shen.

  • 200 social credit score points for inaction.

You have to walk back from work. No bus for you.

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@162+1jx7qvmvz
Their most effective spies are being cut off.
People need to understand that these studies have handlers that they report to.
Shen Yang is likely to pop up now thinking he can pivot the conversation.

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Post ID: @19t+1jx7qvmvz

At the recent trade talks in Geneva, China was most upset at Trump cutting back on their student visas.

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Post ID: @162+1jx7qvmvz

I'd include having students from China in US colleges.

The ones that go home after graduation are trained to be more competitive at Chinese companies, and the ones who stay at US companies can learn from them and pass the confidential information home.

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Post ID: @161+1jx7qvmvz

Especially if Toyota helps byd improve their quality.

We all have a bad habit of helping China compete.

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Post ID: @160+1jx7qvmvz

The good news about Toyota using BYD as a partner is that the BYDs won't be dumped on our market. I cant' see Toyota using cut-throat pricing techniques to drive anyone out of business.
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/if-you-cant-beat-them-toyota-to-use-byds-plug-in-hybrid-tech-for-new-models-coming-in-the

The bad news: Toyota only puts in the most reliable, tested, best gear in their autos. What does that tell you about BYD?

The other bad news: This will only grow BYD as a threat.

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Post ID: @14z+1jx7qvmvz

Toyota is to have Hawaei and BYD make their next EV's. Not sure where they will be sold.

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Post ID: @11f+1jx7qvmvz

GM ip on EV? You must be kidding.

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Post ID: @112+1jx7qvmvz

Quality? Innovation? Efficiency?

We're doomed.

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Post ID: @nw+1jx7qvmvz

@kd
Here's your answer from llama3.3:
Competing with companies like BYD, which benefits from factors such as
low-cost labor, subsidized materials, and potentially contentious IP
practices, poses significant challenges for multinational corporations
like General Motors. Here are several strategies GM could consider to
remain competitive:

### 1. Focus on Quality and Brand Loyalty

  • Emphasize Quality: While BYD might offer cheaper alternatives, GM

can focus on the quality, durability, and performance of its vehicles.
Highlighting these aspects can attract customers willing to pay a premium
for reliability and brand reputation.

  • Brand Loyalty Programs: Implement loyalty programs and services that

encourage repeat business and foster a sense of community among GM vehicle
owners.

### 2. Innovate and Differentiate

  • Technological Advancements: Invest heavily in research and

development to introduce cutting-edge technologies, features, and designs
that BYD cannot easily replicate or may not prioritize due to its focus on
affordability.

  • Sustainability and EV Technology: Since BYD is strong in the

electric vehicle (EV) segment, GM can accelerate its own transition to
EVs, focusing on high-performance models, advanced battery technology, and
sustainable manufacturing processes.

### 3. Global Market Strategies

  • Tailor Products to Local Markets: Develop vehicles specifically

designed for local tastes and regulations, which can be a barrier to entry
for companies like BYD that might not have the same level of global market
insight.

  • Partnerships and Collaborations: Form alliances with other

manufacturers or technology firms in various regions to leverage local
knowledge, share costs, and access new markets.

### 4. Cost Optimization

  • Operational Efficiency: Implement lean manufacturing practices and

invest in automation to reduce production costs without compromising on
quality.

  • Supply Chain Management: Diversify and optimize the supply chain to

mitigate risks associated with material subsidies in other countries. This
could include investing in local suppliers or developing strategic
partnerships.

### 5. Addressing Intellectual Property Concerns

  • Advocate for Policy Changes: Work with governments and international

organizations to advocate for stricter enforcement of intellectual
property rights globally.

  • Protecting IP: Ensure that GM’s own IP is well-protected through

robust legal agreements, encryption, and other security measures when
collaborating with companies in regions known for IP violations.

### 6. Marketing and Customer Experience

  • Digital Transformation: Leverage digital platforms to enhance the

customer experience, from initial contact through post-sales service.
Personalized marketing and seamless user interfaces can create a
competitive edge.

  • Experience Centers: Create immersive brand experiences where

potential buyers can interact with GM vehicles in engaging, memorable
ways.

### 7. Regulatory Advocacy

  • Fair Trade Practices: Engage with regulatory bodies to push for fair

trade practices that address subsidized materials and labor disparities.

  • Standards and Compliance: Advocate for stricter safety,

environmental, and quality standards that all manufacturers must meet,
potentially leveling the playing field.

### Conclusion
Competing with BYD requires a multi-faceted approach that focuses on GM’s
strengths, such as brand reputation, technological innovation, and global
reach. By emphasizing quality, investing in R&D, and advocating for fair
trade practices, GM can maintain its competitive edge in the global
automotive market.

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Post ID: @n8+1jx7qvmvz

What does AI say GM should do to win against BYD besides get new management?

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Post ID: @kd+1jx7qvmvz

@e5 Come to my desk at Cole and I’ll take comfort of you after MY’s. Aftercare is very helpful for your type.

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Post ID: @jn+1jx7qvmvz

@OP+1jx7qvmvz Our SLT made very bad decisions long before BYD existed.

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Post ID: @h8+1jx7qvmvz

@e5 Nope. Lets just say that it is a national security issue and call it a day. Hope peeps will not see what is reality and jump on national security bandwagon

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Post ID: @fc+1jx7qvmvz

@e5 Yep, it’s enough, dafter by the second! :)

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Post ID: @e6+1jx7qvmvz

@dy
Anyone in the auto industry who can't see a competitive threat like BYD is an embarrassing fool. That's the reality check. You can't insult your way out of it.

"I wouldn’t be surprised if that alone gets you knocked during mid year evaluations."

You will reap what you sow. Is that "daft" enough for you?
Here's another hashtag for you: #fafo

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Post ID: @e5+1jx7qvmvz

@an Anyone who writes “#realitycheck” at the end of a sentence is the most daft c**t, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that alone gets you knocked during mid year evaluations.

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Post ID: @dy+1jx7qvmvz

@bv LOL thanks for no response on EV cell explosions. DOT can't give a license for your cars China fanboy.

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Post ID: @cj+1jx7qvmvz

@bp
Your ignorance is embarrassing.

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Post ID: @bv+1jx7qvmvz

@an No one believes Chinese statistics and economic numbers, even Chinese people don't believe them. Except you.

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Post ID: @bp+1jx7qvmvz

I asked AI how BYD could enter the American market and crush the competition.
...
A bold question! Entering a new market and competing with established
players like General Motors, Ford, and Stellantis requires a
well-thought-out strategy. Here are some potential ways BYD could consider
entering the American market and gaining a competitive edge:

Market Entry Strategies:

  1. Partner with local dealerships: Collaborate with existing

dealership networks to establish a presence in key markets, leveraging
their expertise and customer base.

  1. Establish a direct-to-consumer sales model: Follow Tesla's lead by

selling vehicles directly to customers online or through company-owned
stores, reducing distribution costs and increasing profit margins.

  1. Target niche markets: Focus on specific segments, such as electric

buses, taxis, or ride-hailing services, where BYD has existing expertise
and can quickly gain traction.

Competitive Advantage Strategies:

  1. Emphasize EV technology leadership: Highlight BYD's advanced

battery technology, range, and charging capabilities to appeal to
environmentally conscious American consumers.

  1. Offer competitive pricing: Leverage economies of scale and lower

production costs to offer vehicles at prices that undercut those of
General Motors, Ford, and Stellantis.

  1. Develop a unique brand identity: Create a distinct brand image that

resonates with American consumers, emphasizing values like innovation,
sustainability, and quality.

Product Lineup Strategies:

  1. Introduce a range of EV models: Offer a diverse portfolio of

electric vehicles, including sedans, SUVs, trucks, and vans, to cater to
different customer preferences and needs.

  1. Develop vehicles tailored to American tastes: Conduct market

research to design and engineer vehicles that meet the specific
expectations and requirements of American consumers.

  1. Expand into new segments: Consider entering emerging markets like

electric motorcycles, scooters, or even autonomous vehicles.

Marketing and Promotion Strategies:

  1. Invest in targeted advertising: Utilize social media, online

advertising, and sponsorships to raise brand awareness and reach key
demographics.

  1. Leverage influencer partnerships: Collaborate with popular American

influencers, thought leaders, or content creators to showcase BYD's
products and values.

  1. Host experiential events: Organize test drive experiences,

ride-and-drive events, or EV-themed festivals to engage with potential
customers and build brand loyalty.

Challenges and Considerations:

  1. Regulatory compliance: Ensure that BYD's vehicles meet all

applicable US safety, emissions, and regulatory standards.

  1. Supply chain and logistics: Establish a reliable network of

suppliers, manufacturers, and distributors to support large-scale
production and delivery in the American market.

  1. Cultural and language barriers: Develop a deep understanding of

American consumer preferences, cultural nuances, and language requirements
to effectively communicate with customers and tailor marketing efforts.

To "crush" General Motors, Ford, and Stellantis as competitors, BYD would
need to execute these strategies flawlessly while continuously innovating
and improving its products, services, and brand image. The American
automotive market is highly competitive, and success will depend on BYD's
ability to adapt, innovate, and respond to changing consumer needs and
preferences.

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Post ID: @bd+1jx7qvmvz

"Who still buys them?"

BYD has taken over the automobile industry on a global scale.
Who still buys them? Everyone. That's why companies like Nissan and VW are going bankrupt.
#realitycheck

There are lots of articles written on this but here's a good start:
https://www.autoblog.com/news/volkswagen-china-crisis-ev-price-war-survival

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Post ID: @an+1jx7qvmvz

There are too many explosion incidents in China. Who still buys them?
I don't wanna die in made in China EVs.

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