Thread regarding Intel Corp. layoffs

Those who want everyone BTO/RTO are needy people who are control freak

I WFH and I’m awesome at my job. If I’m doing awesome, who cares where I work from? If I wasn’t doing awesome, I would be let go. Seems like folks that have issues where others do their work from don’t have any valid points. I’ve read a lot of claims about productivity loss, but they are unsubstantiated and these folks have no evidence. Please drop your poor attitude and focus on yourself. Don’t worry about what other people are doing and you’ll be better for it. Not everyone that works for Intel is needed in the office to do their job and allowing people to WFH is a massive cost savings for a company that is financially struggling.

@dz, agree and that’s reasonable to look at it case by case. You don’t seem like the person that abused it but there are those that do, because they are humans. Somehow those employees have to get weeded out, Intel can’t afford the slackers anymore, lol.
I would like to see productivity data from when Intel let a vast majority of people do the WFH, one way or the other good or bad.

WFH should be a case by case decision with the employee and manager. I retired Aug2023 but was very productive with the wfh model up to that point. 90% of my work was in front of my computer with my headset. 90% of my work was in other geos other than where I was sitting. To me it made no sense to be in the office, I could more easily work with my customers by not having to play email ping pong and not having interruptions which happened all the time in the office.

OP, look at the bottom of the 4th reply from the beginning. If you want to answer that go ahead or don’t really does not matter. Looks like nobody is going to convince anyone else to change their mind on this subject no matter which side of the fence you fall on.

Asking people to respond with what they do and their grade level is what like a Di-k comparison? I don’t see the point in it, but please explain the relevance.

@bk LOL, nice try bro. Now get your behind off the golf course and RTW! Either that or make room for somebody who will.

Maybe not THE problem but definitely A problem.

• Running errands
• Doing laundry
• Cleaning house
• Babysitting
• Watching movies
• Sleeping
• Having a Toddy to take the edge off
• Logging in w/ your phone at the beach

All these things while on the clock is a problem. Unless your position stated "Remote" when you were hired, you don't really have an argument against RTW.

Incidentally here’s mine IO hurts productivity https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/his.2001.24.1.9

@b2: citation needed. No really share your link.

Except the baker or chef actually goes to the kitchen to learn about new recipes, etc…. and the TD engineers (who I assume are the chefs in your analogy) haven’t gone to the fab in year(s), or even know how their ovens (tools) actually operate. They sit at their computers and look at SPC data majority of the time. How many engineers hired during COVID could give an accurate step by step process of the wafer path through their tool? These COVID and newer engineers aren’t chefs. Most are from backgrounds unrelated to semiconductors at all to begin with and don’t know anything process-related besides “SPC says in control”

I feel like that there is a lot of low-grade technicians and other workers who turn wrenches a lot on this website.

G8 fab engineer here. I definitely appreciate and reward all the techs who do a good job on my PMs and work orders. It's a respectable skill to have and to be a good tech with lots of knowledge and troubleshooting experience is a man or woman worth their weight in gold.

The actual TD aspect of the work happens at a microscopic level with process parameter changes and novel treatment techniques. A lot of these techs can only look at the tool and diagnose the tool (which is definitely important). But engineers are looking at microscopic structures and process aspects which are having issues with integration and trying to come up with a process that can be reproduced across 100s of tools in the VF (at least the good engineers).

See what I mean? It's not WFH. Fab work, unless its super-duper essential or a tool that's acting up out of the distribution, definitely warrants an in person look. Otherwise, the process development work is done entirely outside the fab.

It's like an oven technician or line cook complaining about the baker or the chef not being in the kitchen all the time when he is not even able to envision what it is that the chef or the baker actually does. He is coming up with recipes, baking time, novel ingredients etc. His job is not to simply load and unload ovens or repair ovens when they break down.

@OP. Grade 11? GTFOOH.

Maybe a GR11 in binary.

@Op, if your argument includes 'lol' you might rethink your content. That would get you an 'F' in middle school debate class or higher.

D-mb post. Virtually every academic study has shown remote workers have much lower productivity .and. the teams they are part of also suffer. Anybody who follows the literature knows this. Uneducated posters are obviously poorly informed.

It’s seems like this WFH subject is getting beat into the ground, lol. Nice perk as long as you don’t abuse it.

@aq, you seem like a reasonable person, I agree management has to grow a pair and layoff the low performers and abusers of WFH.

@af, you seem like a reasonable person too, working from home 10% of the time is not a problem. Managers of teams or employees of certain groups doing WFH is not necessarily a problem, but there are problems with WFH.

Engineers that are connected to the Fabs really should not WFH. Too many of those Engineers are clueless about their tools and have not really ever seen them, that’s a problem.

OP, do you really think that there is just one problem? WFH and a disjoint workforce is just one of many and this is easy to fix... for free.

G8 engineering, working with many geo's on daily basis. No team members located in my location, living 15 minute away from site.
Can commute and sit in the box if needed, but from my perspective is not necessity. Have calls around the clock and I am, ok with that. If I will have to commute my working hours will be strict 8 to 5. My performance ratings are always role model/ahead, or exceeding expectations when focal was a thing. I am going to office once a while to meet with local colleagues or if there is a hold of ACM or some important business meeting.

I can understand RTO for low performance people. They totally need to be controlled (can be done also via tools, but management have to grow ba--s and lay off those fat), but leave high-performers out of this picture or create geo-teams that will be working at the same site.

The BTO guy is just one guy. He’s cornered the angle of checking into the office and not doing any work. So he blames his WFH coworkers of not doing any work.

If Intel implements something effective for getting people to work then the BTO guy will be so sad since he was just hanging out in the building hoping a trust on BTO would shield him

A few months ago people were complaining about techs and the ROC slacking seriously and watching videos on their cellphones on this forum. I want Intel to succeed which is why I want the slacking to stop which is why I want us to not get distracted by BTO.

CAUSE IT WONT HELP

@ag what question did I not answer?

I see the OP doesn’t like questions and only uses deflections.

@ae you must be really proud of yourself making a comment like that, highly doubt you are what you say you are.

Trolls baiting people, hahahaha

Little grade 5 engineer here, WFH is not the problem. I am onsite 90% of the time, my hybrid colleagues work just fine remote and I can always get ahold of them as needed. Even though I chose not to work remote the flexibility to do so if needed is a worth while perk and appreciated.

People should've never been allowed to move away during COVID from the fab sites where they were co-located. Fab engineers especially should be onsite 100% of the time. When RTO becomes mandatory and people cry about not living here anymore, too bad, find a new job. It's clear there is no effective "engineering" going on when majority of the TD base hasn't set foot inside the fab in a year(s)

OP, we all know you're obviously not a G11, and we know you're just trying to bait people, but WFH is indeed -a- problem regardless and the only people who want to keep it are the people who do nothing for majority of their day. Collecting a 100-200k salary for logging into Teams a few times a day is a massive waste.

So you all need to be in the office to have structure? Who's fault is that and how does RTO address that ?
90% of the teams are not living in the same city / state.

Hahahha bye bye PE not needed

I'm the OP. For anyone commenting here how about you share your grade and what you do (engineering, technician or whatever you do) and we'll know who will be missed and who won't. I'll start - Grade 11 Sr. Principal engineer

Like @a5 stated it’s one of the problems which are many. Let’s just say WFH has the high probability of the employee being less productive, does that apply to all those that do, perhaps not.
Example: My neighbor who works for Intel when they started WFH spent the majority of their work hours remodeling, true story.
So now you tell me OP is that a problem?

Its one of the problems sport and soon things will change in this area so buckle up or QUIT you won't be missed and your not needed

nah im sure the wfh culture where people (like OP) spend a couple hours a day "working" while soaking up salaries of 100k+ while producing little tangible results isnt a problem

get a clue

We get it, you WFH and are upset that you're going to be forced back

Get ready to start commuting again