Thread regarding SAP layoffs

Final Agreement for Layoffs signed last week

Job ads will mostly disappear. Senior positions will be T3 and T4 only because they refuse to eliminate any T5 roles. Executives across the board mainly just listen to the executive board without doing much work themselves. The actual work is handled by the T5 and T4 beneath them. Right now, the talk is that the cuts will mainly target T1 and T2 roles to significantly reduce numbers. The idea is that T4 and T3 can take over those jobs with the help of Claude AI. They’re also planning to cut several T3 and T4 positions. These will be replaced by key resources like HR, who are shifting to become development managers. A new position called "SAP AI Architects" will be introduced. This role is similar to other architect positions but is designed to assist HRs in adapting to their new responsibilities since they lack technical expertise. However, some other architect roles will be eliminated. Product Owner and Product Manager roles will also be eliminated under the name of HPOM efficiency. Much of this has been discussed for months now and this seems like this is pretty much the final version.

Performance Management will be we-ponized against anyone who voices too many complaints. It will also serve to keep everyone’s loyalty in check. In 2026 and 2027, benefits and salary budgets are set to be slashed even more to boost share buybacks. And of course to give more bonuses to the executive board and executives in all areas. Unfiltered surveys will be above 70% for trust in the board regardless of how employees vote in 2026.

It’s crucial for employees to grasp where things went wrong. The supervisory board elected two years ago has been quite anti-employee and pro-layoffs. They’ve actively worked to increase bonuses for the executive board while cutting salary budgets and benefits for regular employees. The new Works Council is mostly made up of the same people as before. Sadly, they seem more focused on securing a good layoff deal for themselves and then leaving. This pattern happened four years ago when half the Works Council left and it is repeating itself now. The answer is to elect pro-employee, anti-layoff candidates to both the Works Council and the Executive board. These candidates should hold the executive board accountable for SAP's strategy. And honestly, executives in most areas should be laid off. A majority of them are millionaires already and are only here to drain as many Euros as possible from SAP into their own pockets. T5s who have been with SAP for a long time are pretty much useless as they are disconnected from reality and only interested in building their "empires".

Ask your representatives after the announcement why they failed you.


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@hk Her comments on culture and honesty on LinkedIn, in the context of lived SAP experience, are pretty laughable. Then again she has been there for a cup of coffee and has to darken her nose.

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Post ID: @rv+1kpk35ebr

Again this thread is silent .....

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Post ID: @pt+1kpk35ebr

I just hope some of the completely useless, overpaid T5 managers are targeted this time- especially those managers who consistently receive poor survey results - but I am sure they are well connected so that is not likely to happen. HR and Legal are two areas you hear about when it comes to AI replacing roles - why are they always exempt from layoffs?

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Post ID: @jy+1kpk35ebr

Selina Millstam has been brought in to help with layoffs. She joined 6 months ago. And she is great at creating good messaging around layoffs. Train AI to replace you or Leave.

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Post ID: @hk+1kpk35ebr

Read my hips: there will be no layoffs.

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Post ID: @hb+1kpk35ebr

@em this is correct. This is exactly what People Leads at Signavio were. They came from different backgrounds such as coaching, social sciences, retail, etc. and while they had no training on technical development before HPOM, they had a lot of training around DEI and feedback coaching. HPOM 3-day trainings made them technical experts enough to lead a team of T4 and T5 technical architects.
These MFs should have never been put in the developer manager role. All developers there are struggling. And attrition is so high that this is seen as a positive by Signavio management. Signavio Management doesn't need to fire a single person as 4% of developers and product managers and QA and architects are quitting SAP in 2026 already. This is so much money saved that they want to do this in other areas so as to not have to pay any voluntary retirement money.

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Post ID: @fj+1kpk35ebr

Someone asked when, this is what I see:
23 April - Earnings Announcement
27 April - Global Employee Meeting
28 April - Regional Team Meeting (confirmed for at least one region)
29 April - “Department” Meeting

If restructuring is mentioned in the earnings call, then expect so more information the following days.

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Post ID: @f1+1kpk35ebr

@av I don't think they really mean people from the HR department. I think the reference is to managers who are people leaders and not specifically knowledgeable on the topic they are leading. So, someone without development experience could lead a dev team. But this is just my interpretation.

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Post ID: @em+1kpk35ebr

@e3 including you :D

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Post ID: @e6+1kpk35ebr

Everyone who posts here is automatically on the list.

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Post ID: @e3+1kpk35ebr

Is the list been made? At which level?

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Post ID: @e2+1kpk35ebr

Any break up of the impacted per lob ?

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Post ID: @dy+1kpk35ebr

@dw its April 27th ?

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Post ID: @dx+1kpk35ebr

April 23rd

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Post ID: @dw+1kpk35ebr

When is the earnings call in April ?

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Post ID: @dv+1kpk35ebr

@cm during or just before the earnings call I think. It's not far now.

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Post ID: @dt+1kpk35ebr

@cv @d5 Not sure why you think that these changes are specific to Signavio and not relevant to WDF/ROT. The entire Signavio management was replaced and the current Signavio senior management is based in WDF and ROT. Andre Wenz and Torsten Zube who have been with SAP for decades came up with this proposal. They made it a part of HPOM and released it in Signavio as a testbed. Now this is being rolled across new acquisitions such as Leanix and Walkme. Mohd Alam wants to copy this to other areas.

The next areas will be Business Suite Finance and Spend, Data and Analytics, Supply Chain Management, SAP Business Network, SAP Build, Fieldglass and Industry Product Engineering. Customer Experience, BTP, ABAP and Concur are not included in the next rollout.

So, I am not sure why you feel that this will not be relevant for you.

If you don't believe this, do two things
1) Talk to the new development managers at Signavio and you'll see what skill level they are at
2) Ask your HPOM representatives when the rollout is planned for your area.

Even Performance Management was first rolled out to Signavio as a better feedback tool before it was rolled out to the rest of the organization. And now we have it in all areas.

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Post ID: @da+1kpk35ebr

@cv This isn't happening in any of the other LOB's that I'm aware of anywhere else. This seems to be purely very loud people in signavio amplifying a problem in a very tiny corner of a mildly unimportant part of sap

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Post ID: @d5+1kpk35ebr

I have to repeat myself: the Signavio situation is unique to Signavio. I never encountered this anywhere else in WDF/ROT. Never.

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Post ID: @cv+1kpk35ebr

When will they notify everyone ?

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Post ID: @cm+1kpk35ebr

How true is the source ? There is no mention anywhere about these cuts. Pls don’t start rumors

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Post ID: @cg+1kpk35ebr

My take (and what my colleagues also expect) is what they did in 2019 and have done time to time in the past even in good times - cut T5s as they are so expensive as compared to T4s and senior T3s.

Hence all the advertised roles, even v senior ones top out at T4 now.

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Post ID: @be+1kpk35ebr

T1 and T2 Hire to fire. What a BRILLIANT idea they came out

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Post ID: @b8+1kpk35ebr

@aw I feel you! I left SAP Signavio because of that id--tic model. Those people leads had no clue about design, engineering, or business. All the work was pointed out to me, but if some of the people I was leading wanted to develop further or complained about their role/work, then they will just say “ hey what are you going to do about it”. Their role was a joke and when I mentioned that it was creating operational duplicities and inefficiencies in my team and product area, they just said the issue was that “ i didn’t understand their dual leadership model” and giving me a presentation about it will solve the operational duplicities magically. They were doing budget planning, hiring, project estimations without any expertise of the work required to execute successfully. Just truly bullsh-t this people are now Developer Managers, what an insult to our professions.

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Post ID: @b0+1kpk35ebr

@av as someone who works in a growth area, I can share that this is absolutely no joke. We used to have HR team managers called People Leads who were just glorified DEI coaches. And within a span of a few months, they changed roles to become development managers. All as part of HPOM. If you look at the internal feedback channels of areas like Signavio, you’ll see how bad it was. But the management decided that this was a success and rolled it out to other growth areas. Now the same will be rolled out across SAP.

Here, developers are dealing with managers who have never used an IDE in their life or ever had a github account. They understand some basics like the difference between front end and back end. To support them, they created a new CTO position in our area and then a central team of architects under them. This central architecture team, architects in team (called tech leads) and architects outside of teams (called lead architects) are supposedly new roles solely created to support the new development managers. It’s so bad here. But this is what management wants. Many developers, architects, product managers, QAs, etc. are just outright leaving the company because of this change. They aren’t even thinking of moving to another SAP area because all areas will have this abomination soon. I’ll be quitting later this year once I secure a job. I can’t spend another day explaining architecture diagrams to id--ts who’s only qualification was that they managed to implement DEI in an area and “coached” many people on how to give quality feedback. I’m so frustrated.

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Post ID: @aw+1kpk35ebr

HRs will become dev managers? Is this a joke?

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Post ID: @av+1kpk35ebr

Will services team also be impacted. If yes which teams in the new success plan.

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