I overheard a conversation in a coffee corner where one colleague said that HR is tracking our surfing behavior, and that people who go to this site regularly are marked for the next round of layoffs.
Is this true? And if so, would that be legal, or could we challenge such a move?
Chuck Norris watches everybody. Including the board.
If your manager wants you gone for any reason whatsoever, HR will support them. It doesn’t matter if you visit this site or not. Managers can do whatever they want, no matter how unethical.
HR is watching you and this is their only value
You can't seriously be going here on your work device?😂
To improve the situation, SAP needs to hire more Indians.
@ee that is understandable. But I draw a line where our management is obsessed with using AI to find innovative ways to lay off employees without severance. SAP is a manager-obsessed company and managers totally control salary appraisals, individual bonuses and have great influence on the general well-being of employees reporting to them. And they certainly make more money and are kept safe when they blunder. The easiest solution here is to make managers responsible for not getting enough work done from their reports. Hallucinating AI cannot be acting as the Stasi here. And maybe I am an outlier but I believe that if an employee has great productivity and gets their work done well and on time, I don't care that they surfed an ecommerce site to purchase detergent and diapers. If employees are disgruntled and unhappy, find out why and then fix that. Most of us are not expecting much from SAP. All we want is (1) a stable job, (2) enough salary and bonuses to beat inflation and raise our kids and pay our car mortgages and (3) basic respect. And SAP is getting worse and worse on all three, especially the third. That's how you fix this.
Just so as i'm clear the posters here, if they had their own company would be happy with employees using the expensive technology provided to surf online shopping and casually drop into a site where disgruntled employees went vent toxic cr-p about you? The world is full of strange people.
@dw what you are mentioning is exactly what the Indians are doing. They join SAP and then give contracts to Indian companies where their family siphons off SAP money.
@dq I hope the following will happen to you.
@dq Get a move on, continue to bring your unqualified and lazy brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, nephews or even your laid-off uncles aunts and neighbors from factories to help CK to develop and advance SAP’ Autonomous Enterprise.
Internal spying is the easiest way to start performance management he-l for aliens and get them deported. We have enough Germans in the country to run SAP. We don't need any immigrants su-king away our money.
Sap will fire anyone based on business needs or if someone is stealing ip. If u are billable u wont get fired . Mostly ai teams easy to fire them. No business impact . Stay close with customers that is the key. If u r billable u can visit any legally authorized site. No one bloody cares.
@av I checked SAP One and WalkMe was indeed installed on Edge and Chrome on every single SAP computer. Anyone reading this comment should check for themselves. It seems some CK Fans spread misinformation or try to derail the conversation.
This is fake news. Walkme was not installed on every browser. There is no evidence for this. Stop spreading lies and scaring us.
don't do anything personal whatsoever on a work laptop, phone or network. Assume everything is monitored so use your own devices and networks for everything not work related.
@aj this is the minimum you can do...
Everything you do on your corporate LapTop is monitored and analyzed for security especially with the development of AI agents... The IT admins have to make sure that employees only use authorized apps, software, web sites.
If you don't know now you know.
@OP uhhhh.. you might want to go here on a personal, non-company device 🤦♂️
Everything you do in your work computer is tracked. I get access to this site from my personal computer, and never connected to SAP Wifi Networks. The data collected from apps usage and so on will help make decisions, starting with AI usage. Now, be careful with the information you take out from your work computer, if you are in the “watchlist” every single mistake will be used to fire you. Once during an “anonymous” all-hands I asked a question, the week after i was being confronted by my manager about it.
So nothing is anonymous, all serve a purpose. When you put PIP, Bonus Plans and All-in-AI together, you know where we are heading.
Can we do something about it? Never trust HR neither your manager. Works Council? Most are politicians, just remember they gave the approval after “negotiating”. Everyone is trying to save their neck, in order to keep their position, they will throw you under the bus. What you can do is either leave, or stay and understand that this is the New SAP and sharpen your knives.
Yes. All websites visited via Edge and Safari and Chrome are tracked. Usage of apps is tracked. Actual uptime on Teams and time spent in meetings and presenting is tracked. Email usage (only usage not content as that would be illegal) is tracked. Usage on all SAP products and websites is tracked.
Recently, we had to silently force install WalkMe on every managed computer browser. So every website you visit, how long you hover your mouse over a link, how you move your mouse, etc. is all tracked. Only WalkMe people see that data and they get to decide what "AI" slop to built on top of this so we can lay off colleagues who are "not engaged enough".
There is a lot of tracking on phone devices as well. But just not as much as computers.
Tracking personal data is illegal. Tracking usage of apps and websites is perfectly legal.
How do I know? I work in IT.
You know what I think? I think they want to use performance management to lay off employees without enough severance. The new revenue enabling bonus plan just came into effect. This means they can give more power to managers and use these managers to give low WHAT scores to employees and pay them little to no bonus. Along with a PIP, this will ensure that they leave by themselves or that they can be fired easily.
Can we fight this? Not at all. The executive board wants it. The supervisory board wants it. The group executives and area executives want it. The works council wants it. And a majority of managers want it.