In Ireland and a lot of the Dell threats we've seen don't apply to most countries in EMEA due to employment laws.
So what can happen if you don't RTO in EMEA if a Phase 1 country?
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You'd think, but HR told me the same thing, faculties were the team tasked to do this. Many sites can't accommodate everyone returning and it'll be done in phases. This was the explanation to why facilities were asked to do it.
Facilities will not dictate who is remote and on site, it's HR
Right!
My terms of employment still states, "As part of the acceptance of your Connected Workplace application and per this arrangement your normal workplace will be considered your home address and your hours of work will remain as per your contract of employment."
Mikey Dells email does not constitute a change to this so I will continue to abide by my terms of employment until this is changed and only then will i observe a notice period of 4 weeks.
So whats the sequence here ?.
- Profile updated
- Individual mail on contract change
- One week for consultation
- Four weeks notice period?
Then RTO ?
Told by HR that all profiles will be updated on March 3rd? When will people be told if they're remote or not? The Friday before!
We got told that all workday profiles will be updated on the 3rd to reflect if you are remote or onsite, it will be a bulk update.
Sounds like they are going to just draw a circle around the office and anyone within it is determined to have a commute under 1 hour. Even though we know in Ireland you sometimes have to go in the opposite direction to get on the right road and god help you if you are getting a bus...
I submitted an HR ticket. HR rep told me that the Facilities and Security Teams were the ones making the decision about who would need to come in; not HR. She said that HR had not been provided the criteria about how these determinations were being made (as in, she did not know if they were judging by mileage, time, etc.). She stated that HR would make the change in Workday once they had the info from those teams (probably not until late Feb or early March).
"everyone should open an hr ticket requesting what Dell thinks your actual commute time is"
in all seriousness everyone should. There needs to be a transparent explanation of how they are arriving at a decision rather than this wishy washy "reasonable" rubbish. Reasonable for one person is not for another.
everyone should open an hr ticket requesting what Dell thinks your actual commute time is. Overload them with requests. Just like a lawsuit, you bury them with paperwork.
They can easily manage you out and blame something else.
"I certainly believe a 1 hour commute twice a day is exceptionally long."
Some years ago (when working for EMC) I was told that a two hour commute was reasonable. Mainly because my (mostly work from home) manager lived two hours away from the office.
from FAQ:
"The criteria for living "near" and office typically include a reasonable commuting distance (roughly an hour). If team members believe their commute is exceptionally long and may impact their ability to meet the expectation to attend the office 5 days a week, please discuss your situation with your leader..."
Important parts above;
- "𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐥𝐲 an hour"
- "𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐮𝐭𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐞𝐱𝐜𝐞𝐩𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐠"
The above parts are vague and open to interpretation. The commute time does not state if public transport is taken into account. Many of us have moved to a 1 car household.
I certainly believe a 1 hour commute twice a day is exceptionally long.
Applying for remote in Ireland means nothing, they can change your status to onsite just by giving 4 weeks notice
Not sure why IRE was in phase 1 when the rest of EMEA is phase 2 because of all these EU laws however in the new FAQ it says IRE can still apply to be remote and can’t be penalised doing so and can’t be prioritised for WFR. With their new rules on 1 hr from the office then anyone claiming their commute is based on public transportation then I can’t see them being able to force you back in as as sh-t as the WRC is in protecting workers then Dell does not have a case . Anyone who lives in Dublin will know how bad public transport is in that it takes over 1hr to travel 25km . If your within 1hr commute and don’t go in then they can discipline you however the interesting piece is what Dell Ireland will do if people now apply for remote as per the FAQ
It's the silence since the announcement that's awful. I was hired remote and I don't drive. No communications and no forum to ask these questions.