Thread regarding SAP layoffs

Ugg. I’m currently in the middle of the exact same situation. What is wrong with this place?

@jh Please do not spread rumors.

@d9

This is precisely why I brought it up. If the managers had not done something wrong. He would not be fired.

My attorney told me to fight, they SAP are lucky I did not sue them.

I am sick and tired of the BS culture that SAP claim just for branding.

Their communication and brand is false to employees.

So be it.

Don't spread rumors. Facts: yes. Opinions about facts: yes. But rumors: no.

@d6 you're 100% right to speak up: it's freedom of speech, everybody can speak on any topic with respect and honesty.

It was the case here so no problem.

I find it disrespectful to try to silence people because we don't like the subject.

If someone doesn't like this topic, then skip it and move the next...

The people claiming we shouldn't discuss this kind of thing here have obviously not been to a lot of in-person SAP events. I keep my head down. The topic of this thread is the primary reason I only eat lunch at my desk. I'd rather not know.

I find it refreshing that the person who brought up this topic actually spoke up in a way that matters.

I find it equally frustrating that fellow colleagues who act like activists are not willing to confront these issues directly. If you want people to "do better" and "speak up" then perhaps you should set an example.

connection is way better important than work culture. one of my colleagues basically sit all day and do useless call, but she feel safe because she has good connection with +2 manager.

@bf We can discuss all sorts of topics around SAP here, but we should not imply that people are creeps or harassers. It does not add to the discussion and considerably lowers the level of the discussions.

@ax they made the teams smaller and added more managers with HPOM. And with the new performance management, they decided to give more power to these managers. It’s not unusual for a male manager to ask their female reports for favors and in return give them a good performance rating. Now our salaries depend on this and this is the culture the SAP HR wants.

Do you think that CK didn’t know about Juergen Mueller being a creep? Juergen was only fired because he was making a move to be the next CEO. There have been reports of CK harassing women as well. But these things are always swept under the rug so he can get his €19 million bonus by laying off employees.

The culture won’t change till we have predators in leadership. And the SAP leadership is full of them.

At Signavio, it seems that only men are considered for Vice President roles and higher. The sole exception being the Design team, where a female leader promoted a man who had previously harassed another female employee, raising questions about her integrity. Interestingly, most development managers at Signavio are women, because all of them were initially hired as people leads or DEI coaches, primarily to boost the company's "women in leadership" statistics. And with HPOM, they just became development mangers. It's disheartening to hear management express doubts about women's capabilities for top management positions, especially since the few women in high-ranking roles often have no direct reports. With such attitudes prevailing in leadership, it's hard to see how any real change could occur.

@OP
Joined SAP ECS three years ago from MSFT. Shocking to see to see in ECS so many SVPs with managers under managers. for survival at SAP create managers under managers.that us the only way.

On the post about what’s going wrong at SAP, someone commented that we should encourage more women leaders. And that post got downvoted by white supremacists.

So while I 100% agree with you, I don’t think the company culture wants to change in the right direction to prevent occurrences of such behavior.