Thread regarding 3M layoffs

The old white man in legal affairs took renee Dotson and Shauna Macdougal on the most brazen boondoggle to the uk to attend his daughter’s wedding. On 3M’s money!! Yes that just happened. Renee was stupid enough to paste it all over viva (now deleted) ironically the comments are still there. Look for posts on July 16. She also has another gushing post worth seeing…

The irony of your comment about clinging to the past is so rich - after all 90% of the posts on this site are from 3Mers clinging to the past.

@12g

Oh my god! Better get them back in 8 or 9 days a week so no one gets away with anything!

All the progress civilization has made has been solely due to desperately clinging to the past. "This is how we've always done it" is the rallying cry for advancement.

@12g 5 days a week would mean BB would have to fly back to Florida on Friday night not Thurs night. The guy gets three day weekends on his yacht for a cool 20 mill. No chance he changes the 4 days.

BB should just bring back the mandatory 5 days work week, instead of keeping it at 4 days. Some employees are exploiting the 5th day wfh, especially those nonP plant employees.

Get everyone back into office dude.

@mh Thanks for this contribution. I’m a plant employee (with 2 college degrees, mind you ;) ) and you make some very valid points. I understand your frustration better now.

There’s been a lot of frustration since Covid when our St Paul counterparts expressed surprise that we were still coming into the plant on a daily basis. And then the “are you back in the office yet?” questions. Being in a plant, speaking only for myself and my coworkers - it’s a morale ki-ler to be on Teams meetings with cameras on and seeing people lounging about like it’s a weekend day, feet propped up and comfy on the couch, while we are firefighting on a daily basis.

@ey & others,

The anti-plant statements made in here are unfortunate. Please note that not all of us feel that way.

You talk about fairness; however, you surely must agree that not all jobs are the same? Different jobs have different requirements. Police officers, emergency room doctors, and restaurant servers all have to work on Christmas, for example, and I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate it if 3M asked you to work on Christmas. Your job includes a physical component that requires your presence in a specific facility. That is, unfortunately, an unavoidable component of what you do. But for those of us who only work with data, there is nothing physical that ties us to a specific location. Is it fair to force us all into one location just because there are other jobs that require that? Would it be fair to ask you to work Christmas just because there are other jobs out there where that is required?

And there's another way to look at it. Our jobs our different, so it's understandable that the requirements may be different. But someone who does the exact same job as me, but who happens to live at a further distance from a 3M facility, still gets to stay remote. Is that fair? We are doing the same thing; the ability of the other worker to do their job from anywhere also applies to me, but I have to be tied to a specific location (and take the hit of lesser productivity, higher expenses, etc) just because of where I live? How is that fair?

And presumably you also work with the people in your plant. In my case, literally no one I work with is located in the same country as me. So if I do have to come into the office, I'll take the time and productivity hit in order to sit at a desk in an office and interact with no one in person, and instead interact with my co-workers online, the same as I do at home. The whole thing is an exercise in pointless futility, which is why so many of us are frustrated.

Funny thing is that 20 to 30% of people in plants did go to college. And the real kicker is that without plants, there is no 3M center.

Sunsetting WYW is liberation day for BB and 3M

@hf that’s quite a generalization there about not going to college but thanks for playing.

@hf obv nobody cares about the people in the plants. That’s pretty clear on this page.

@gx Contractors have seen no pay increase from the day they were hired. Pay is terrible with this company. And many took remote or hybrid jobs and are basically being told this is a full in the office job now. 3M needs to bump up the pay since many took lower pay for the flexibility of it being a remote job. Now they are changing the terms of that deal saying you have to be in the office. No one should accept going back in the office without higher pay and commensation for it. That's not what was agreed on when the contract job was accepted.

@gw Anywhere from 1 hour 20 minutes to 2 hours 5 minutes. Making it to much of a swing to be on time everyday unless you plan on leaving your house 45 minutes early everyday for that one time. But all the wasted time and days you are early before your shift starts. Hopfully flex hours are still allowed. Or you will be forced to stay the whole shift and not be allowed to leave early even though you showed up early. But the further a way you live the larger the variation in travel time which isn't fair at all because it means you have to leave a much larger buffer for delays so there is no late arrival.

@ey It's a little different when you are the only one on your team in the office because everyone else on the team are across time zones. So there is zero reason to be in the office. Not much will change really as everything I do will still be over teams and remote to reach all these people. There is no face to face with this. This isn't much different then working out of a cafe or other location such as home. Why are they so fixed on, on campus?

@hf exactly when they accepted that job it said it required onsite everyday. So why are they crying. I just feel bad for the people that took a job here that was advertised as remote but now will be required to come in the office 4 days a week. They would have never accepted the job if that was the case. How is that fair that the requirements change?

@h2 nobody cares about people in the plants.

You guys are always whining about how unfair it is that you have to be at the office to lock stamps or whatever it is you do, but the fact that your job requires that doesn't mean everyone else's does.

You're like children, always demanding everyone else get less because you didn't bother going to college.

Do you people realize that the folks in the plants are reading this and laughing at you? Not that you care because this is the most self-absorbed group I’ve ever encountered in my 30 years with the company. We are not all production employees who you seem to view as the peons - we are the T5s that make your ideas work. We never got to work from home.

3M Provided you LTIP stock options as part of your compensation- Then they took them away.

3M Told you stock options were part of your compensation- Now a decade of your 'compensation' is underwater and nearly worthless.

3M Told you it was pay for performance- Then they changed the rating scale from 1-5 to 1-3 making very difficult to earn an above average rating.

3M Told you there was opportunity for advancement- Then they flattened the organization.

3M Said you could work your way- Now they took it away and you must work their way.

Notice a pattern of the way 3M treats their employees? If 3M doesn't

Just want to ask, the 50 mile distance stated in the FAQs for US... how long does it take to travel that far to the 3M office? Here 15 miles can take an hour!

@f1 If you’re not happy, you can quit.”

Is that it? That’s the message from leadership?
After everything we gave, everything we carried?

No conversation. No respect. Just a shove out the door and a smug shrug.

Is this what Bill wants?
Because it sure as he-l looks like it.
Death by policy.
Push them hard enough, they’ll leave quietly. Cheap.

Well guess what? We’re not stupid.
We see it. We feel it.
And we’re not going quietly.

Not this time.

If you are not happy you can always quit. The door is open.

@ey I don't work in the plant but would like BB to further equalise for everyone by having all the plant people work at all hours of the day, night, and weekends.

I work in plant and I am really glad to see BB equalise this for everyone. Makes it fair and square.

@e9 chances are he’s already started applying to jobs. I know several people who sent out applications today

@ba

What exactly is "3M eXcellence"? Is that a thing? Did I miss the latest and greatest new initiative? Is this Advance 3M but this time taking it all the way to excellence?

@ay you can thank his communications team for that. Total hacks.

Revoking “Work Your Way” is a pi-s poor, short-sighted decision that reeks of control over competence. For a company that talks a big game about innovation and trust, this move exposes how out of touch leadership—especially Bill Brown—really is.

People rearranged their lives based on a policy you sold as the future. Yanking it away without warning or consultation isn’t just poor management, it’s a betrayal. If the aim was to ki-l morale and drive talent out the door, mission accomplished.

This company deserves better leadership. Shame.

@d6 he's definitely not interested in living in Minnesota permanently. He's likely flying in Sunday night and staying at a ritzy condo near downtown and then flying back to Florida Thursday afternoon. That's why he doesn't require 5 days in the office. Otherwise, he'd be stuck in town an extra night. The guy likely has his own Mar Lago in Florida. And he makes 20 million plus custom jet life. Not bad for a guy with a measly 35 percent approval rating on Glass Door at his previous company.

My colleague previously proclaim that if he is ask to RTO, he would resign. Now RTO has come true, not sure if he will keep his words?? As he has enjoyed WYW for past few years.

My org went to a global team structure, so this will not result in more in-person interaction. Will still have to use Teams every time to collaborate online with my manager who's in another state & those reporting into me also in other state & other countries. The only difference is I will have to go into the office, just because I live semi-close to 3M HQ. Make it make sense. Actually it reduces collaboration potential, since I'll lose availability for my EU folks due to me driving to HQ in the mornings. Brilliant!!!

What email went out to those in places like Austin??

@d1 There's an update to every world area and businesses within St Paul

With traffic across Minneapolis will lose 2 hours of work time a day. Will have to prioritize and find 2 hours of templates and BS not to do. Maybe I can sit on a co-workers lap or sit in the lobby and work. Not sure how this will help.

Email came out this morning.

@d1

For St Paul

Will be interesting if they reopen 220 and 224

Once Solventum moves out, will be plenty of space at 3M center

Will be interesting to see if B Brown moves to MN from Florida!

Right now, everyone can stay remote, no matter the JG.

Where do they expect us all to sit?

It'll be a year or now before they figure that out.

Right now distant remotes can stay distant. No matter what the JG

My VP boss moved to another state a few years ago and said he wouldn’t move back to Minnesota - can’t see 3M firing him. Are VPs exempt from this?

@ay - This verbatim from the email. I even fixed a very noticeable error in the word “eXcellence”.

I’m willing to bet this is his assistant using 3M Navigator and not checking it over closely enough.