Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

How to LR

I am writing this as a longtime Cisco employee. I am an individual contributor and have been for almost 20 years. I like Cisco, I like most of my managers and colleagues (not all, of course but that is true anywhere)

Am I worried about getting LR'd? A little but since I put this plan into place several years ago I am not worried about finances. Not one bit.

You can't change the wind but you can change the set of your sails. The most important of which are your financial decisions. Strive for financial independence now. It is not too late. jump to end for TL/DR version:

  1. shift to maximum frugality.
    This is not the "latte factor" where your $4 coffee will change your life but rather an entire philosophical shift. Embrace frugality as a desirable and enjoyable lifestyle (it is). Focus on both the small rocks (the daily expenses like coffee, doordash and money su-kers). not to sound s-xist but money su-kers are typically gender aligned. Women spend a lot on nail care, beauty and the like. Men spend a lot on autos, gadgetry and beer. obviously stereotypical but you get the point.
    Eliminate, DIY or change the frequency.
  2. Big Rocks.
    Housing, Healthcare, Transportation, Insurance & Education are typically the most expensive components. Start here. Be relentless. remember that New car smell is the most expensive fragrance in the world and no one really cares about what kind of car you drive anyway (except for you) get a reliable, safe used vehicle. strive to pay cash for a car as it will force you to save & research. Same concept applies with the other big rocks. The amount you spend on where you sleep at night and keep your stuff should be minimal. This is true whether you rent or own, strive to own a decent home in a good neighborhood.

  3. Max out your 401K, open a Roth and build a freedom fund.
    What to do with all the money you save? Buy a boat? (no!)
    First, build a cash cushion of at least 6 months of expenses, the good news is that the more you relentlessly drive down your expenditures, the lower this amount needs to be. Put this in a Money Market (many are yielding 4+ %
    Then, Max out your tex deferred retirment account. the target date funds are a great one-fund set it and forget it option. you could balance that with a 100% stock fund (US Equity Index) say 50/50 so you are tilted toward more growth, especially if you are young. There are 1,000 asset allocation strategies you will be bombarded with, this is a good middle of the road, reasonable, strategy. It is way more important to get started and be consistent (autpilot) than to get all the knobs perfectly right. Most people do way more damage that way, especially you smart ones. (Doctors are notoriously bad investors because they think they are smarter than everyone else)
    also start a Roth IRA and fund it as well (Roth is post-tax but has significant advantages)

  4. The best things in life are free.
    National Parks, Conversations with Friends, gardening, reading a used book (the paper kind) long walks with the person you love most. Do the rocking chair test; imagine you are 80, sitting on the porch in your rocking chair and ask yourself what you would have done differently back then. I guarantee the make/model of car will not enter your mind even once.

TL/DR
Reduce expenses relentlessly, start with the big rocks.
embrace a mindset of "frugal is wonderful" because it leads to financial independence.
MAx out retirement funds (401k/IRA/Roth IRA) with a simple set and forget it Asset Allocation
100% Target Date Fund (based on your retirement year) or 50% Target Date Fund + 50% US Equity Index if you are more risk averse.
Build a 6 month war chest full of cash


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@rm whatever keeps you driven, right? I can wake up tomorrow and decide to add another mansion to my collection of ten personal homes in Silicon Valley. You and most in your circles are worried about your next raise, and if you aren’t now, like clockwork, you’ll be anxious about your next review. Also, you have to play nice, navigate the corporate maze, and pretend to care about the hierarchy. Whereas I, if I wake up feeling bold, can yell at my manager and director during our 1:1s, telling them just how pathetic their leadership is. I never get fired because my net worth is a staggering $100 billion, and I set the rules. I don’t hold back. I’ve had colleagues reach out to me after those moments, either thanking me for my honesty or expressing their admiration for my fearless approach. My wealth demands respect, and I expect my viewpoints to be valued because I am not a pleb, a worker bee, or a wimp. If you can’t afford to own 20 luxury cars and dine at The French Laundry with industry legends like John Chambers, then you’re just corporate wimps, and you’ll never be as smart as I am. I say all this to emphasize that while you may be grinding away, thinking you’re making a difference, the reality is that the work you do today will be forgotten in no time. What a life that is. The future is mine for the taking. Enjoy!

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Post ID: @vt+1k4j6f4eq

@k2
There are always increasingly complex financial maneuvers that could yield higher returns.
a 401k max into a good asset allocation is a set it and forget it strategy that you could literally set once and not touch for years.

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Post ID: @rm+1k4j6f4eq

@hf if I actually took the time to impart some knowledge most of you would either not get it or would not be able to execute. I’ve seen it time and time again. If you get upset versus feeling challenged when someone far more successful than calls you a worker bee or pleb you’ve already shown your hand and deserve to be on the hamster wheel of uncertainty and fear that is Cisco…whenever “change is the only constant” is widely known and accepted slogan within your company it’s an admittance of subpar and incompetent “leadership” with individual contributors who aren’t smart enough to make heads or tails of basic career and life outcomes. November is near. Enjoy!

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Post ID: @p3+1k4j6f4eq

@kw whatever helps you sleep at night buddy. I can wake up tomorrow and fire Cisco. You and most on this board are deathly afraid of getting that fifteen minute meeting invite from your manager and if you aren’t now like clock work in three month intervals until the end of your tenure at Cisco you’ll be on the edge of your seat and worried. Also, you have to play nice, play the corporate game and actually care or pretend you do. Whereas I if I wake up on the wrong side of the bed I can tell the so called “leadership” in the org to shove off.. I actually dictate to management when I want to meet and if I have something to say I’ll speak up and say it during 1:1s or if I’m really pi---d off I’ll put it on front street during a team meeting. I do not care. I’ve had teammates ping me during/after said confrontations and either thank me OR say they respect me for challenging this so called “management” a bunch of stuck up try hards. My dividend income gives me more income than most if not all org “leadership” again I only do this because I love to people watch largely virtually. If the nature of this work wasn’t remote I doubt I’d drive into an office. I say all this to say you will work and scrap by and think you are getting somewhere and being somebody and providing “value” meanwhile as Cisco is designed the work you do today will not matter in six months and will largely be forgotten some life and career that is. November should be fun and is near. Enjoy!

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Post ID: @p2+1k4j6f4eq

offer zero guidance to anyone on this board how to achieve such wealth
He did, he inherited it from Daddy

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Post ID: @kw+1k4j6f4eq

Max'ing out 401k is bad advice. Do enough to get the match, and that's it. Use the remainder to invest how you want, rather than what the 401k plan allows.

Self-Directed IRAs (SDIRA) are amazing vehicles for investing in nearly limitless options.

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Post ID: @k2+1k4j6f4eq

@h4 your post offers zero insight or help for others. You claim 401k's are horrible investments. Did you know you can diversify your 401k's into different monetary funds?

You pretend to be incredibly wealthy yet offer zero guidance to anyone on this board how to achieve such wealth. You refer to the common man as a worker bee or a pleb. Your remarks are both insulting and degrading.

We've seen your kind before, and it's clear who you are. Just another troll who comes here to disrupt conversation intended to assist and enrich others. It would not surprise us if you are active or former Cisco leadership just looking to bully people to enhance your own self-worth.

Does your conversation offer anything beyond "I got mine, f*** the rest of you"?

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Post ID: @hf+1k4j6f4eq

@fh you people are mindless and naive that anything you don’t like is AI. It’s exactly thinking like this, despite having access to a $25m dollar trust fund I continue to work and move amongst you all. It’s quite enjoyable how not only stupid 90% of you are but also I wouldn’t believe it unless I saw it myself.. and you are not wealthy. You are a worker bee who at best thinks they are set because Cisco’s 401k instantly vests as soon as they match it. Whereas I, can wake up tomorrow and tell this supposed “leadership” to shove off and spend the rest of my days waking up whatever, doing whatever and spending whatever..whilst you have to look forward to how in the world you are going to survive in retirement, if you ever are able to. Good luck!

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Post ID: @h4+1k4j6f4eq

@fg nope typed it myself! Actually I’ll loan you an “a” that you can stick between the f and g in your PostID because that’s EXACTLY what you are!! How’s that for an ai response ya dope?!?!

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Post ID: @h3+1k4j6f4eq

The only other thing I would add besides your 401K and ROTH account is put money into a high yield savings account. Unlike you're 401K it can be liquid when you need it. I have over $100K in mine and make about $3K a year in interest. Free money.

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Post ID: @gf+1k4j6f4eq

I was LR'd two years ago. I had been at Cisco for 19 years. I took a gap year, then consulted part time for another year at a nonprofit. You know what I did with my free time? I cleared out all the sh!t I wasted my money on when I was burned out, depressed and anxiety ridden from working at Cisco. My coping mechanism was to spend money (then I started to speedball this behavior during covid). Last year when I cleaned out the garage I was disgusted by the bullsh!t I wasted my money on. I donated it all. Some of it I never used, it was so d-mb!

Now my house is almost paid off, both cars are paid off, my health is back on track, I make my own cup of coffee each morning and the Amazon truck drives past my house every day.

Oh I also have a new job that is balanced, aligns to my values to make the world a better place. I've stopped chasing the W2.

Be smart like the OP says. Just chunk your money away. Let your stock vest and kick back a little more. Cisco will cut you eventually, Its not worth your energy and money to let it su-k you dry.

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Post ID: @g8+1k4j6f4eq

@cx+1k4j6f4eq hard to believe your intention is to be kind or help others when your ai generated monologue refers to ordinary people as "plebs" and you cannot stop bragging and gloating.

spoiler alert: those of us who are actually wealthy don't need to flash and brag about it. have a nice day.

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Post ID: @fh+1k4j6f4eq

@cx your post does not contain formatting, and you endlessly brag about money. are you sure this wasn't some ai created monologue you created?

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Post ID: @fg+1k4j6f4eq

Very early in my life I learned I was different, I learned I didn’t live like or would ever live like everyone else. I was grantee and currently have a $25m dollar trust fund that I am the executor of. Yet after I left the Ivy I graduated from and as my father was battling the illness that ultimately ki-led him I decided I would actually humor the job market or what you plebs call the “real world” in my five years I’ve largely been unimpressed and a large part of you workers bees are frankly pathetic. So why do I continue to work you ask? I thoroughly enjoy watching you all “work” and the office politics. I sit in a unique position as I literally have no expectations or fear and honestly don’t care about any outcome as it pertains to the corporate slog at Cisco. I actually don’t even have a resume, I don’t need to worry or care about my reputation and don’t need to play nice. If I want to get on a call with a manager or director and tell them exactly how I feel —which I’ve done twice in the last 16 months I do that and don’t have to worry about being blacklisted or negatvie perceptions. At that point it’s on the person who carries them. The manager and director in question decided we all needed to talk. It was the worst thing they could have done. Now they don’t know of my fortune and never will so I found the threats of “maybe this isn’t the role for you” or this is a “small company and industry your reputation is everything” quite funny considering off of interest alone I make more in a month than super serious first line manager and ladder climbing director make in a year combined… now why am I telling you this and why do you care? Because the idea that you need to head down and take your “career” and save every last penny as suggested is horrible advice and gives some insight into how a lot of “adults” in this world think and act.. out of irrational fear and self preservation and at that point you aren’t even living. Understand that these first line managers and so called directors are biggest actors and frauds of them all remember this the next time you are worried about being laid off from your little silly corporate job that you and thousands of other people take seriously. People like me and some of the ELT see this all for it is..a joke and it’s amazing to watch people take all of this so seriously. Relax, breathe and even if you don’t have a trust fund and investment income north of $2.5m coming in monthly just for existing you all should start living like it. The world and time will beat on regardless.

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Post ID: @cx+1k4j6f4eq

Lost me at "I like Cisco"

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Post ID: @ce+1k4j6f4eq

@ar
corporations are soulless entities that "don't care" because they "can't care".

It is foolish to expect that. The ELT cares primarily about their golden parachute and the accolades of their peers (which are other execs)

They regard their "reports" as servants. Anyone who refers to themself as "your leader" and indicates that we are family is being manipulative for their own ends.

ask yourself, How many past leaders have completely ditched the Cisco family to work at or launch a competitor? There are way more than you realize.

Families don't fire their children.

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Post ID: @bj+1k4j6f4eq

@af
Our society is a consumer society . Our economy is a consumer economy.

You are first and foremost a consumer. A consumer of goods and services.

Corporations exist solely to generate profit for their shareholders.

You have a choice to be a debtor or a lender, a landlord or a tenant, a creator or a consumer.

Of course we can all inhabit each of these personas over time (and many at the same time)

I am both a Cisco employee who sells goods and services to my customers as well as a consumer of many services that are directly or indirectly powered by Cisco products.
Maybe you’ve heard of “the internet” (if not, It’s a series of tubes that connects stuff together)

The trick is to limit your consumption and maximize your creation of wealth.

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Post ID: @az+1k4j6f4eq

@ax
This was 100% written by me. I use LLMs but intentionally did not even refer to one for this post.

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Post ID: @ay+1k4j6f4eq

this is AI slop

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Post ID: @ax+1k4j6f4eq

The money train won't last forever. Limit your consumer debt, invest in low risk assets where possible.

I have seen a few colleagues who worked at Cisco and quietly had alternate revenue streams. Those were the smart ones. They realized it doesn't matter how hard you work, how many certifications you obtain, or how much you kiss up to your boss, you will always be an disposable resource.

The sooner you realize corporations don't always have your interests in mind, the better. That applies to US citizens, H1B's and offshore employees.

These corporations will tell you all sorts of BS, like how much they care about employees, be wary if they refer to your team or org as a "family". HR pretends to care about employees, they don't. They are employed by the company, to protect the company.

Every single tech company wants the same: Profit growth, market expansion, higher share prices, appeasing board and shareholders. And if that means LR's or using cheap labor to achieve these means, they will do it. They don't care.

These corporations do not care about us. They never did. We are just tools at their disposal. They use us until we're no longer needed, then we're tossed aside.

You can be a 10y+ veteran, a star employee. But if your job can be done by someone who is paid less, or shifted to another team and the company needs to cut costs? Your job is in danger.

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Post ID: @ar+1k4j6f4eq

Great advice. I know people in their late 50's and 60's who cannot retire in the foreseeable future - if ever - due to low savings and high debt. People need to realize that after a certain age and number of years of working you simply get tired and your mind and body can wear out long before you think it will. Hopefully for you they won't but plan as if they will just to be safe. You simply cannot know what the future holds and what you'll be able to do to live life as you get older.

Also, keep in mind Corporate America spends billion$ to 'talk' you into expensive houses, cars, and credit card spending. Any debt can eventually become a Faustian deal with the Devil that'll enslave you and severely jeopardize your chances of retiring at an age and health condition to where you can enjoy it.

I see these situations every day and these are educated people that have been making ~$100-$150K - sometimes each one in a couple - for a long time and live in a moderate cost city/suburb. It's real and it can very easily happen to you if you're not smart. Be smart like the OP says.

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