Thread regarding SAP layoffs

Googled SAP’s share price drop. This is what their AI said.

Yes, a 15% drop in stock price following a missed key metric combined with management downplaying the situation is generally cause for serious concern.
While downplaying bad news is a common tactic to prevent panic, it often indicates a potential disconnect between leadership and market reality, or an attempt to mask fundamental issues.
Here is a breakdown of why this scenario warrants concern and how to evaluate it:

  1. Reasons for High Concern
    Significant Underperformance: A 15% drop indicates that the market views the missed metric as a major issue, likely a breach of trust or a sign of structural problems rather than a minor blip.
    Disconnection from Reality: When management "plays down" or dismisses significant negative news, it can be a sign that they are not taking the necessary corrective actions, or are trying to protect their own reputations/compensation.
    "Kitchen Sink" Warning: Executives may downplay a miss, but if that miss is accompanied by a downward revision of future guidance (a "kitchen sink" report), it indicates the company expects the pain to continue.
    High-Risk Signal: Stocks that miss earnings expectations often see continued weakness, averaging a further decline of 8.4% over the following four months, suggesting the initial 15% drop might not be the bottom.

  2. When to Be Extra Concerned (Red Flags)
    Misleading Communication: If management fails to explain the root cause of the miss, or blames external factors entirely while ignoring internal failures.
    Reduced Transparency: If the company suddenly stops providing guidance or becomes less transparent about future performance.
    Insider Selling: If executives are selling their own shares while telling shareholders everything is fine.
    Loss of Talent: If the performance issues are causing high-value employees to leave.

  3. What to Do Next (Investor Actions)
    Re-evaluate the Investment Thesis: Ask: "Did I buy this stock for growth, and is that growth still happening?" If the core reason for owning the stock is broken, you may need to exit.
    Check Cash Flow and Debt: A company can survive a bad quarter, but not if it has high debt and low cash.
    Look for Alternatives: If you sell, is there another company in the same sector with better management that is not experiencing these problems?
    Consider Tax-Loss Harvesting: If you are holding a significant loss, it might be an opportunity to sell and use the loss for tax benefits.

Summary: A 15% drop is a massive signal from the market. While not always a reason to immediately sell, it demands a thorough review of the company's fundamentals and a critical questioning of management's narrative.


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@cz Where in the original post is anyone claiming that AI is predicting the future? The AI itself uses language that suggests uncertainty. Regardless, the future is predicted by understanding patterns, behaviors, and trends from the past. AI isn't psychic but it can determine probability. For example, AI would likely be able to predict the response to the next Unfiltered Survey almost word-for-word. This isn't because it has the ability to see into the future but because it can easily identify that those responsible for survey feedback are mindless fleshbots who go adhere to a routine rather than being dynamic individuals who are capable of making actual points. People are much more predictable than we like to think.

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@cd I'm not sure, I don't think SAP has done anything innovative itself for a very very long time, it's bought its way to innovation (as all large corps do, just look at google, meta, microsoft e.t.c) for at least the last 20 years. Hana and s/4 were the last "innovations" to come out of sap that was in reality just a way to keep running the same 1980's software on modern infrastructure. We dabbled in crypto, we dabbled in AI with Leonardo but nothing useful came from any of it. We bought business objects, sybase, successfactors, ariba, concur, fieldglass, signavio. All the actual innovation has happened outside. What I find odd is we haven't actually bought up some kind of AI agent company yet to deal with the fact that joule is junk.

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Post ID: @de+1kgq6xgs3

AI cannot predict the future. It is trained on past data.

Don't spread panic and rumors based on AI.

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Post ID: @cz+1kgq6xgs3

They laid off all the innovators and those coming up who were mentored by them. Now they have zero original ideas and are totally direction less. It was sad to watch that last meeting and hear how confidently clueless they all sound.

15 years ago our offices were filled with super smart people solving some of the worlds hardest problems others could not solve. Now, not so much.

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Post ID: @cd+1kgq6xgs3

When I first time heard that HRBP is identified project champion, I know SAP s**ks.

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Post ID: @bq+1kgq6xgs3

I’ve read several comments about CK not seeming to be fit for office. However, let us not forget that he isn’t acting alone. He has an army of executives who agree with his every move because most of them make upwards of 300k per year and benefit from everything he does. And despite most of his actions not being to the benefit of the average employee, more than two thirds of the employees wholeheartedly support him. Most unfiltered comments were critical about other board members not CK. With this kind of support, he can get buy-in for any strategy from the company. I think many employees will open their eyes once they get their April paycheck and compare it to last year’s. But by then everyone who have forgotten about all this and be working on full steam to make Sapphire successful.

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Post ID: @ar+1kgq6xgs3

I asked Joule the same thing. It started crying and now I'm getting an "out of office" reply no matter what I ask it.

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Post ID: @an+1kgq6xgs3

@a2 CK and DA don't need to articulate anything. They don't even need to work anymore. No matter what they do, they will get millions in bonuses. And they will be gone in a couple of years. So they only worry about moving money from SAP to their pockets quickly in the short term.

Executives will get millions in bonuses. HRBP will get very high bonuses. And if you complain, they'll ask you to be happy with your 1,8% salary increase. Well done SAP. Toothless supervisory board and corrupt Betriebsrat is what got us here.

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Post ID: @ab+1kgq6xgs3

Well this says it all - with an emphasis on "compensation": Disconnection from Reality: When management "plays down" or dismisses significant negative news, it can be a sign that they are not taking the necessary corrective actions, or are trying to protect their own reputations/compensation.
What exactly has CK and DA articulated as the corrective action? Lots of buzzwords about AI and blaming the lack of cleverness of the investor community. No doubt the execs and their assorted flunkies will maintain their own levels of compensation. There are a lot of old time SAPers who are just there to get their inflated salaries paid for as long as possible. If I could sit around and make 300k in Europe a year, I might be tempted to focus on my own self interest exclusively, too.
Methinks one day we will wish the stock was trading in the 160s....

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