https://www.theautopian.com/the-30000-ford-ev-pickup-is-way-smaller-thank-you-think-we-got-an-exclusive-look/
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Oh, you definitely don't work at Ford. I don't think there's any question about that.
@jq While Ford is busy daydreaming, the Chinese are already building a better, cheaper truck that will dominate globally while the P833 sits in development he-l. Anyone with a badge knows it’s already delayed. And please…bringing that soft, "lifestyle" aesthetic to Ford’s core US truck market? It’s going to sell about as well as a Hyundai Santa Cruz at a Texas rodeo. Ford’s grand EV "revolution" is a joke, and management will quietly ki-l it the second they sober up.
I personally think this product is to accomplish things and go places no other EV has ever done in the competitive global market. I would also go as far to say this will be a Starship Enterprise moment for this EV "To Boldly go where no EV has gone before." I'm expecting even the China market to finally have USEV envy post release - mainly from all the advanced tech and features that none of the China market cars have yet. Further, from all the buzz surrounding it, I would be completely thrown off guard if it doesn't sell well above MSRP due to supply / demand issues after release.
@hb All hands coming up Wed, wonder what d-mb boring topic will be discussed, maybe the lame UEV clothing those clowns in marketing dreamed up that only a small % of fools bought that now sits in bins on the first floor, sure I’ll pay for company swag, no thank you! and the BBQ in a couple weeks, I’m sure it will be low budget and no drinks like last time. Nothing better than a fake smile, yadda yadda, eating BBQ, standing in the hot Long Beach Sun around a bunch of ppl you can’t stand. FUBAR!
@h1 The FCG gives you feelings? You caught feelings? You checking his likes now? How are you the villain and still insecure. Embarrassing
@h8 all of the managers in CE1 are useless. Ford is a declining daily recall cesspool of hubris. Add in all the Ford lifers on the program, ppl who joined Ford 20-30 years ago and others who have half of that who were brought into the team snd given some bs title and the attitude to go with had their hands in the garbage Ford is producing snd think p833 is the model t moment. I can drop names but I don’t have to we all know who they are. Overpaid chief or director of diddly squat. This place blows and my former manager quit and now I’m under some new manager who is doesn’t know wtf he is doing. Glad im not the only one who thinks this place su-ks. I’ll be leaving this place in the next 6 months tired of working 60 hours+ a week for this bs. My health is more important than this job and I get no support from my manager you are expendable and they don’t give a hoot.
@h8 I get the feeling a few people know each other on this site irl.
Maybe we know each other, ha, no doxxing though. I’m at Advanced EV too, and yeah, there’s a mountain of problems here. People have been dropping like flies lately. I came from an automotive company I won’t name (not Tesla). I’ve heard management reads these threads, so hi I guess.lol
I agree with what you and the other commenter said. It’s a total mess right now. I’m miserable, my manager is clueless and honestly most of them are, because they don’t have the experience to be in those seats. The nepotism and cronyism comments? Spot on.
They’ve started tracking badge swipes and attendance metrics, but meanwhile there are people on other teams I work with who are barely ever in the office, skip meetings constantly, and somehow my manager just makes excuses for them while everyone else looks the other way.
They’re also leaning hard on H-1B and contract workers and paying them less. I referred several strong candidates US citizens with GM, Toyota, and Honda experience and not one got picked up for the open roles. What is wrong with that picture??
Anyway, I’m out of this circus within a year. Just hoping they don’t ki-l the program before I go. Equity grant is worth the misery but it will be a sh!t sandwich till then.
@h1 You have anything of substance to say?
I agree — I came from Apple and can relate. I worked on CE1 when they were in Irvine and left over a year ago. My manager wasn’t well liked on the team and frankly wasn’t competent, but the problem runs deeper than one person. Management across the board is just bad. The Dearborn teams had no interest in collaborating with us and basically told us to go jump in a lake — no idea if that’s improved since.
They move too slow and bury everything under bureaucracy, acronyms, and codes nobody ever bothers to explain. You spend most of the day on paperwork instead of actual engineering. They’d hire people, say “go figure it out,” then roast you in front of your teammates when you didn’t already know. Toxic, backstabbing, brown-nosing, nepotism central.
The whole system is broken and the workflow is inefficient — and they’ll never fix it. My company laptop was slow as molasses on a cold Toronto morning, the tools were buggy and half the time didn’t work, and they kept switching comms platforms while going all-in on Microsoft software that ki-ls productivity. I got out, and with a better job lined up. Honestly, P833 is going to be a disservice to Ford’s core truck market and won’t sell well — if it even makes it that far.
The feeling when the FCG likes his own comments
Didn't Apple's car fail after 10-11 years of work as well? Maybe that should have been an indicator that they way things are done between the two might not have been just "I'll go here and develop software" kind of job without considering the many other factors involved in building and launching a vehicle.
I have seen this before. Someone comes in from another industry. Processes are complained about and sometimes ignored. Then later when those processes become a brick wall its complained about being antiquated and behind the times. Sort of self inflicted if you ask me. Part of starting a new position is getting familiar with what is in place and finding a way to work within it while advocating for change, not ignoring them and then complaining.
You signed up to develop software for an automotive company. What did you really expect? Maybe someone over sold the agile bit too hard. Not sure.
With the success of the UEV, there is no doubt the talent, work processes, and culture of the Skunkworks team needs to take control of the legacy product and programs at Ford in Dearborn.
Anyone who cannot see that is blind.
Too expensive. Toyota has a $20000 vehicle that just might be my next. Or a used vehicle if prices have come down. Monthly payment is going to be my only driver.
@d2 i NEVER signed up for this sh-t bruh 💔✌️😭
@d1 Do you think it might have been wise to learn more about the methodology and reasoning behind our processes before joining a new company in a different industry? Almost everyone I know who interacts with one of you Apple Cobblers describes them as completely incompetent and lacking knowledge in vehicle design, engineering, or manufacturing.
Yep this is P833, I work at the skunkworks in Long Beach. The place and the job su-ks. People are overworked and miserable. Management su-ks and Ford’s antiquated systems and processes move way too slow. We’ll never beat China, Farley is off his rocker. Biggest mistake of my career was leaving Apple and taking a job with Ford.
@ch Well, it really says a lot about how companies like Ford are protected when they cover up wrongdoing and smear recent graduates for speaking out about being intentionally mistreated and tormented internally for defending themselves after being lied to. No one has the right to play God, plant evidence, frame people, pad files, or let "memory holes" perpetuate future abuse against anyone who might speak up again. I think in any other country, this would be a human rights violation.
@ck a fan of*
@ch I'm not a systemic violence
@ca Sounds like you’re not a fan
@c3 Thanks Bill. Any comments on how I've been tormented for years no for speaking up about the cover-up internally next?
Exactly - clearly shows a tremendous effort and amazingly high level of execution of all the details down to the finest level on all accounts. Ground breaking doesn't even begin to describe the end product. I would expect a huge grey market for importing these to markets around the world who are not fortunate enough have these available.
Actually, think it looks better than I had originally anticipated. May order one when they arrive in the next couple of months.........
Autopian got a scoop! may be a mule, may not be. scoop none the less.
Can you say grand slam major hit? Awesome job Skunkworks and Model e!! This is what company transformation looks like!
Time to put Tesla to bed.
I think there is a fair amount of blocking done on that test unit. I've heard strong rumors of it taking design ques form the Ranchero, which you can somewhat see in that picture. I've also heard they may bring that nameplate back for this launch...
Interesting! Thanks @OP. It seems we moved to larger trucks and ICE vehicles because of the fat epidemic, but we are expecting the below $30K BEV crowd to be lean and healthy... I would like to know the reasoning behind and the market poll figures to back it up...