I said it before and I'll say it again: each new round of layoffs is aimed at getting rid of as many older employees as possible. No, they don't only lay off older folks because that would get them in legal trouble, but the rest are mostly collateral damage. They want us out and until all of us are gone, they won't stop.
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Got let go after 17 years at Dell—just felt relieved, honestly. Three weeks later, I accepted a new role with more interesting work, better pay, and a greater sense of being valued. A WFR isn’t the end of the world if it happens to you—it might even be the start of something better.
It's a dollars game now. Part of the decision is how much you make. If you are deemed too expensive, they'll get rid of you.
and you know this, how???
older employees arent targeted. teams get targets, decisions on who get made at the team level. i know of several who have let older employees go with the older employee's blessing (effectively early retirement) so they dont need to let go of someone who plans to stick around. but saying older employees are being targeted at a company level is just basic fearmongering and ignores how the process is working.
@bg not quite true. They have and probably will fire many VPs
@OP true, old mesns expensive. Look at EMEA. Most Regional VP‘s long gone!
"They pay for college courses, certifications and other speciality programs. "
@bh : Yeah I noticed the VP of the failed Telecom BU did a "program" for AI and is hoping to lead it. He had no background in servers when he took up his job at Dell. And he has no background in AI now. He is hoping to bring his "gifted" skills - his words- to his job responsibilities. LOL
Got laid off in 2021. 20 years with Dell and M aged 55 at the time. Consistently top reviews. Turned out to be the best thing for me. Quickly found an engineering position with another company. The US severance su-ked @$s compared to other parts of the world but paid for a decent vacation. There's much much better out there than Dell.
This is not unique to Dell.
"LOL What training?"
They pay for college courses, certifications and other speciality programs. It's part of your benefits package in addition you can get approvals for conferences and other learning opportunities. Most people I know are getting AI certifications through colleges paid for by Dell
Last year it was mostly folks in late 30's, 40's+ that made higher salaries. They just included 1 or 2 20s employees so they wouldn't get sued. All about the $$$ savings yet they keep the expensive management :)
LOL What training? We are required to watch videos. That is our training.
As for older people, I am going to assume the company has some sort of formula that shows older people cost more and therefore needs to be let go. I think this whole thing has been more problematic because of the high cost of living. Take some time to understand the economy and how it really works. Understand things like inflation, how is money created etc. Finally, save and invest as much as you can. The problem for young people is they don't make enough to really have assets that grow. You have to ask yourself why? It's not a left or a right thing. Both sides have been destroying our way of life for a number of years.
Hope I'm one of them, I'm in the position that I should have enough to retire in 2 years time. If I got paid off now being in Europe would have enough of a paypout to last close to 3 years.
Them I can retire and if It's not quite enough can do something part time. Then a few years later my state pension kicks in
To all those who aren't in my position I do sympathise with you, but maybe this is the time to start to figuring out how much you have saved for retirement and how much you actually need to survive
I did actually train myself that lead to promotions etc.
I obviously got training when I started back in the day.
I agree there are not a lot of us receiving any training these days because I don't think anyone know what's ahead.
I'm happy to still have my job but I'm under no illusion. I'm waiting for them to call me into a meeting to say I am not needed anymore.
In the meantime I'm gaining as much knowledge on AI because it looks like this is where we are heading with everything.
I'm kept busy so I'm just trying to keep my job for as long as I can.
Good luck to everyone and I hope that whatever happens we will all be ok.
@ac Dell doesn’t train employees, they train themselves
It's difficult to understand.
It may not be an age thing. It is a lot of the older people have been in the company for 20 plus years.
These employees with their hard work have received pay rises every year.
Most of us have moved up the ladder to a decent wage, and may have gained experience in so much areas.
Instead of teaching such employees that they stay up to date with the new way the company wants to go. AI can be learned by these mostly intelligent employees. These people are nearing retirement in the next couple of years.
They don't want to train the older staff and then look for replacement when they retire anyway. I think Dell need their older staff to train the newbies about the stuff they will need to know when AI can't fix a problem what the actual problem is. That comes from experience IMHO