Thread regarding Dell Inc. layoffs

I was I8 for 55k EUR a year in heavily taxed country before let go... well, i was working same engineering job for half the cost of I6 in states

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@ab yes the person in question was I8 at the time.

@am not sure why the downvotes. I got an in-role promo this year as well after 3yrs in role. And not the only one. Definitely need a manager that will go to bat for you and possibly easier in sales than other orgs.

I’m in sales and now make more than twice what I started at 5 years ago after two promotions that just happened at the right time. And I make more than a lot of reps who are at the next level (I will concede that they’ve usually been in that same exact role for years) bc yes the bands absolutely overlap. It depends on multiple factors - is your manager willing to go fight and TRY to get you promoted? (I had two who absolutely were and one who absolutely didn’t wanna stick his neck out). Are they willing and able (allowed) to make better offers? From what I’ve seen it’s ALL over the place. I’ve seen people promoted with MAYBE a 5k increase and others promoted with 10-30k increases. But yeah good hard working reps sitting at lower pay bc maybe they lost a deal and their attainment isn’t quite there to move and apply for even a role at the same level on another team which would warrant a bump in pay to current levels. Merit raises are unpredictable and again dependent on your manager and not every team is given the same budget and sometimes one rep (albeit deserving maybe) can end up taking up all or most of it at the managers discretion. I’m grateful for how things have played out for me but I absolutely empathize with so many peers bc it’s very frustrating.

And I was pi---d when my Inspire points were revoked. Can’t imagine how this must feel like. Both for you and even your manager because he had the talk with you because of the director and now ends up looking like a fool. That’s if the manager is telling the truth.

Bruh if there are no reqs in your org, leave the org? Get that bread, quit wasting your time

My group laid off and pushed out 50 people the last 2 years-consistently every month. (Lots of lifers) Now they gave 2 promotions to I9’s and hired a bunch of I9’s this week.

Your former manager got "flattened" back down to an IC role from what you said, so that tells you pretty much all you need to know about how upper management felt about them. Working for nice-guy managers is great and all but not much help when the promotion arm-wrestling begins. You may be their "OG crew" but their own salary/promotions will always be 100x more important to them than yours, don't be fooled. They'll never rock the boat on your behalf. Maybe now with your former second-line as your manager you will have someone with weight to advocate for you - your next 1x1 with them needs to involve you informing them that you expect a promotion in the next cycle and want to know what you need to do to make sure that happens. If they hem and haw about it at all then you've got your answer and need to be looking elsewhere.

@av I have looked and here's the problem... There AREN"T any jobs for an i7 in my org. At least not in the US... And I sure af am not moving to Mexico or any other country for a promotion lol.

@as I will say this much... my previous manager is very passive and while he does stick his neck out for us, he's not exactly a "forceful" guy if that makes any sense. I have no idea what his relationship is with the people who make promotion decisions is but, I do trust and genuinely believe he's been pushing for promotions not just for me but, for several of my teammates... for years.

Myself and one other guy were his OG crew and we have a great relationship with him and have earned him some major a-s wins, brownie points and congrats from upper management over the years. Our VP is kind of cool I guess but because I'm not on the corporate side, we are not as noticed. Simply put. Actually nobody on my side of the fence is really noticed. Not even just my team.

Either way, I'm not unhappy at my job at all but a promotion would be pretty nice. I am looking elsewhere but again, I'm happy where I'm at and what I'm making but, like any sane person, I do want more money.

Fed is kind of forgotten lol. For good and bad...

Ur getting hosed. Internally transfer or gtfo. I moved teams last year to promote to i7. The lowest they'd bring people in was 144k which is 90% of the median. It IS a dramatic increase in money, and it's not worth waiting around for IMO. After moving last year + a huge pay bump in spring, my total pay jumped 50k. Go start interviewing

@ap Ok but, would you not agree that promotions are also something to keep employees happy? Specifically the ones who deserve one? The ones who work their a-s off and do the work of i7's and i8's, etc...? I mean yeah, promotions are not a given simply because you've been there for xyz years but at some point, they DO need to happen because if a company wants to keep actual talent, then they NEED to promote. Otherwise, top talent will find better jobs while Dell becomes stagnant with low performers and cheap hires who don't know how to restart a computer without putting in a helpdesk ticket lol.

Dell eventually will be left with tens of thousands of employees who know bits and pieces of their job but nobody with any expertise because those with the expertise have moved on to companies who value them. Or they were let go to save money...

Dell is heading down a slope that they won't recover from if they don't watch out.

Your former manager was feeding you a line of BS. The salary bands overlap considerably and if you're upper end of I6 they could easily put you in an I7 number without a massive percentage raise. They either don't have enough esteem in the org to effectively advocate for your promotion or they didn't even really try in the rating/ranking sessions. If you want to stay at Dell, you need to start checking the internal jobs and start applying/interviewing for I7 roles. "Risk to Leave" IS a check-box in their decision making. The only thing managers hate worse than sticking their necks out arguing for your promotion is having to interview, hire, and train someone new to replace you when you leave. Both of the promotions I've gotten at Dell have been after I'd interviewed for other internal roles and they knew they were at danger of losing me if they didn't get me a promotion.

And as for the other one who supposedly had promotions blocked by HR for multiple years - yeah that didn't happen your manager su-ks too and probably didn't even try to get you promoted. If upper mgmt wants you promoted, you get promoted period HR has very little say in it. They have a promotion budget for the org and they just didn't think you were worth fitting into it.

@ap I half agree with you and you do make sense however, I've been so close to a promotion at least twice for in role promotions at this point but, it's always something that get's in the way. I literally was on the brink of an in role promotion in january of this year, as well as 2 years ago. Unfortunately though, my org isn't a money generating org and while we are every bit as vital as sales, we quite literally are the org that prevents hackers, among other things. So we are pretty low on the "budget" list every year.

I mean, we already know we have little to no budge for FY28 (next year) unless it is absolutely VITAL. Which is pretty pathetic because I can't imagine Dell would be very happy if some Russian or Chinese hacker breached the network and idk, stole sh-t? Which ironically enough, semi happend this year... I'm sure THEN they would have wished they made a budget for us...

But nope. They put all their money into sales, marketing and money making orgs. Which is ironic to me because the orgs they pour money into are the orgs that seemingly always get DESTROYED during layoffs...

@ak yeah... i figured that's very much the case and, it makes sense. Before the dum--ss reorg earlier this year, my manager - and I still consider him my manager - isn't super adamant? He's very laid back, chill and easy going. My org isn't small but it's not huge. I'm in the fed space and I'd say what org I'm in but, since all the fed teams are so small, and idk who looks at/reads these posts, i wont. It's not sales though.

After the management reorg, my team got a new manager (who was my old managers boss) and he's a director. Problem is that he is so out of the loop of what WE do that I feel like a promotion is a dream at this point. Our - and not just me - 1x1's are literally like 8 minutes long.

I do know that my last manager fills him in with everything we are doing during his 1x1's which is great but, none of my team has any type of PERSONAL relationship with our new "manager" which I feel is important. I will always consider my "old" manager as my ACTUAL manager because he's literally the best mgr I've ever had and ultimately, still does the same stuff but is labeled as a PM or something stupid like that.

I suppose the POSSIBLE bright side to this is that my manager now, is a director so I'd assume he has more pull in regards to promotions but, like I said... we are 3 1x1's in and at most, have talked to him for a solid 20 minutes combined. So idfk at this point

Promotions are not rewards, they are made available out of necessity. Simply put, unless your team needs to hire at a level you want and they would open a req to fill it, there is no promotion. If a team can be successful with what they have, there is no promotion.

You also have to remember that promotions are not at team levels, they are at org level. This means that you are competing against all others asking for the same promotion and your name must be supported by all other leaders over even their own candidate to get a promotion. You may be the best person on your team, but may be the lowest ranked of all candidates. In role is nearly impossible since teams are generally able to perform their job with the roles they have. This is why you need to look outside and at roles you may not want to take in order to get the level you want.

@ac I started at 80k 5.5 years ago. Covid hit and forced everyone remote. At the time, it was quite literally me and one other person managing 3 different technologies and Dell did really really well that year. Not sure how or why but, they did. That was my 9% raise.

Next year we both got an "all star" award which was 1k cash reward. Raise was meh. 3.5%

Then we hired on a few more folks and split out the technologies so him and I weren't doing an entire departments worth of work between the two of us. Raise was 5% i believe.

Year after that, I was supposed to have been promoted but upper mgmt said NO to promotions so I ended up with a 12% raise. - Which was awesome but would have preferred a promotion.

Last year was 3.5 again.

This year was also 3.5.

Not complainging about my salary but from what my manager (well, previous mgr now) told me was that, HR is more hesitent to give promotions in which there is a massive salary jump. I have NO idea what an i7 starting salary is, or what the range even is but he said in a round about way, i'm on the upper end of an i6 salary, which makes a promotion more likely considering the jump from say, 115k to idk, 130k less "scary?'

Been at Dell 2.5 years been promoted twice

In my experience it comes down to whether your manager has stroke with upper management and their own peers. They have to go into these big rating and ranking sessions with their larger org and argue why their promotable report deserves it more than some other manager's report. If upper management doesn't value your manager that much they're not going to pick his guys for promotion. I was on a team with probably 10 guys that deserved I7-I8 or I8-I9 promotions and we had a manager that could only get MAYBE 1 of us promoted per year at best. He got let go and we got a new manager with some gravitas that was getting 4 or more of us promoted each year. The new manager also did a good job having us provide him with ammunition for those sessions about how valuable the work we were doing was. Night and day difference and all that changed was the manager, the reports were the same people.

HR has denied my promotion 3 years in a row so far. This year was the last straw after I saw two people that started after me get promotions above me. So I'm leaving.

This company does not care about retaining talent.

Took me almost 7 yrs to go from an I7 to an I8, and that was with me doing the I8 work the last 3yrs before it finally happened. I feel your pain..

Good luck now at all, it seems like all they do is fire the good people and hire out of school newbs and offshore people for pennies

You're very fortunate OP. There hasn't been a single promotion in my business unit since Dell bought EMC. Raises are capped at 6% and after nearly 10 years I'm only making $70k. I'm only sticking around because my part time job, that actually pays more than Dell, doesn't provide health insurance.

You likely aren't being promoted into an i7 from your current grade with that big a salary jump. That would put you mid-band i7 which HR usually won't do. Some i7's are making less than $115k in the US today.

HR knows what you make. HR knows what you'll work for since they've had your salary history the last 6.5yrs. That means HR will offer you less money for a promotion than they'd pay someone new off the street. Also, 9, 7, and 12% raises are massive at Dell. You getting 12% meant your manager used up much of their raise budget on you.

Dude. What the heck? You got "big" raises cause you were cheap nonetheless.

Eject from dell ASAP. You are wasting time there. Spend your energies chasing bigger, better things.

Dell is a joke of a company. Put your efforts into growing into a real company.

@a9 Not saying it doesn't happen or that it's impossible but, it's SUPER rare and it seems like the only people who do get promoted are those who are i8's or above...

I’m in I6 too, and after 20 years I’ve never moved up — still making $70K a year. Raises are a joke: usually 1%, sometimes nothing. For the past 5 years, Dell hasn’t even kept up with inflation in my paycheck. At one point, I went 6 straight years without a single raise. They tell us to “move up,” but there are zero roles to move into at Dell.

Be grateful you even have a job, that’s the message.

@a5 not true, it happened in my group a few months ago. But there needs to be some special occasion to do it.

@a5 Wtf is the point in a promotion if it's not "in role?" I mean sure, I could get a promotion if I moved to another group but I love my group, my current job and manager.

@a5 yep, and it's not only for US. It's global.

You can forget in-role promotion since a couple of years back.