Thread regarding Ford layoffs

Feedback on the townhall...

Just doing my coaching apprenticeship. I had to comment on feedback models. Just wrote this it's probably too much?

Before commenting on Pendleton, I want to say something about my experience with feedback and in particular recent trends I've seen where people have tried to take out the niceties. I have been a manager for 20 years, so feedback is core to what I need to do to help people achieve goals and develop. That said, I believe in constructive positive feedback that believes in the potential of the individual to learn and improve.

Lately there is a lot more "hard" behaviours that are coming into our culture. Only yesterday our CEO said

"We need more performance culture. We need more honest feedback to people. We can't be polite, non confrontational team anymore. We need to talk to each other, honestly.

You have this caring culture, and this support culture. But on the other side of that, is non confrontation, non-performance oriented. And that's why we're changing our HR systems to be more focussed on that."

I find this troubling, not because we shouldn't be honest, that we shouldn't seek improvement, high standards, great quality and work, but because I believe you get there by caring, by taking people with you.

The feedback sandwich has been criticised on a culture course I was on run by a consultancy. People need more direct feedback they said. Feedback sandwich being just give positive - constructive - positive message. I use it all the time if I actually want the person to listen to me and not be defensive. They said just give the constructive or even negative, don't sugar coat. But to me they are ignoring the humanity and natural reactions people have to criticism. And when you're telling someone you'd like to see something different from them, a lot of people, especially ones with gentler personalities will take it as criticism. What I would say, is there's a lot of alpha culture that is coming out of America in particular. Some of it is to my mind very close to toxic masculinity. For example the new performance system has 4 ratings for performance to objectives and 4 ratings for behaviours, so 16 in a grid and the 50% of the org was given the 1:1, bottom of 16. That's against everything I know about performance management theory, it's just being cruel and brutal and I don't believe it will get the results they want it to get unless that's just to single out people to fire that don't fit their cultural values.

I like the sound of the Pendleton model, I'd not heard of it before. It comes from medical settings and uses clients self reflection as well as input from the coach/trainer/supervisor/consultant.

1. Learner says what went well 
2. Observer confirms what they think went well
3. Learner says what could be improved
4. Observer offers their thoughts on improvement. 

This is great and I think is very close to what we do with appraisals where people provide their own input first and it gets augmented by the leader. It is something I try to do naturally in 1x1's with my team and I think is a good route to learning.

I've done some searching and there are a lot of models out there, variations on a theme. CEDAR, SBI, CORE, IDEA, Future focused, COIN. Some are direct but most have similar basic structures. The key is to try and make it explicit, not general so that the learner can actually learn from it.

In Samaritans, we have the BEAR model. They want us to provide feedback to colleagues and

Behaviour “I noticed that…”
Effect “This meant…”
Alternative “You could try…”
Result This might/could mean…”

I think Pendleton is better, and in mentoring that is what we do, always how did that go for you first. But the basics are trying to make it explicit. It's also about having courage to have a conversation with someone to help them learn and improve even if as a peer. For that reason I would definitely look for a sandwich response. To wade in with judgement without saying you value the person or something that they did well is just too harsh for me..

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Post ID: @OP+1k1kgtymx

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What I see is that they didnt have a real plan and over the course of several GTH's, everyone was like, WTF are they talking about. They started to lose the interest of the employees because they went the way of the blue (theres a reason the oval is blue) and us lowly workers cant afford a new car/truck anymore. They lost control of moral and got pi---d about it. We took a survey and they got more pi---d off. We are now being punished with RTO and they said straight out, they dont care what we want or how we feel.

So, with no clear plan, RTO, a 'we dont care' attitude toward the employees, moral is at an all time low and they cant seem to figure out why. They are pi---d and it shows. GM and China are eating our lunch and they have no ideas how to get back on any kind of track.

Y'all notice that in the movie 9 to 5, when they circumvented the CEO, implemented ideas that made the employees happy, production went up and people were happy.

Once again I will say, only because its so true... The beatings will continue until moral improves.

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Post ID: @p0+1k1kgtymx

@hn You’re not smarter than a fifth grader! There is a reading barrier-to-entry. Come back next year!

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Post ID: @hp+1k1kgtymx

TL;DR

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Post ID: @hn+1k1kgtymx

@dp Hate sandwich approach? Especially if you are the one in the middle and horizontal!

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Post ID: @gt+1k1kgtymx

OP and those involved must think it’s rocket science. Lord what has Michigan’s public institutions done to you. The brainwashing is clear. This is Ross MBA syndrome, guaranteed.

Rough breakdown of "elite" Michigan grads in the 21st century:

  • 1/2 intellectually incurious obedient strivers
  • 3/8 beneficiaries of legacy, donations, affirmative action, admissions zeitgeist, etc
  • 1/8 actually impressive people
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Post ID: @ev+1k1kgtymx

@OP

What kind of drivel is this? You must work in HR. All of you need to just be brought under legal and HR needs to not be thing anymore. It's all sunshine and rainbows to you fools isn't it? None of you understand how to hire anyone because you don't have any idea what the job entails. Get out of the way. Quit asking us what our favorite movie is. "Bachelors required masters preferred" is all we hear from you. No one cares. Let the company get down to business and let the managers hire who they need. Your personality tests don't work, and they damn sure don't make the company any money. Let the legal department absorb your team, because we all know you are there just to protect the company anyway, so quit acting like you advocate for employees and just do what you are really meant to do: CYA work.

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Post ID: @e0+1k1kgtymx

@OP. I hate the sandwich approach feedback. I don't have a problem with honest and raw feedback, as long as it is valid. I live in the real world, and reality is the best measure of truth.

The problem is that the feedback at Ford are lies. How come someone are called on not doing enough in a certain task, when they are doing more than many other teammates in that specific task, and those lazy teammates are not receiving any bad performance regarding the task?

I was one of the top performers in my team. In a 1v1, my LL6 showed me the list of people who contributed, and who didn't, in the team. The request was for me to do more, because there were people in the team not pulling their weight. Nothing about targetting those people for layoffs, or PIPs. Just putting more pressure on the ones delivering. That's the Ford way, and only causes good employees to burn out.

BTW, feedback goes both ways. I could receive criticism for my performance, but at Ford, my criticism of the management's performance fell on deaf ears. So the ones "leading" us are the ones causing this company to fail, and refuse to see the truth. I never understood why bother to hire engineers and knowledge workers, if management is not going to listen to them.

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Post ID: @dp+1k1kgtymx

@an yes working 9 to 5 was priceless humor..someone in the communications team ..lol. Dolly for CEO

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Post ID: @b7+1k1kgtymx

What a bunch of Horse Shxx!

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Post ID: @b3+1k1kgtymx

@b0 veteran ford employee spotted. Sorry for picking a fight with someone bigger than me

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Post ID: @b1+1k1kgtymx

@ay Precisely. NO COCLUSION! Just challenging the audience to think for themselves as opposed to hearing espoused dictation like yours. If I forced a conclusion like you continue to attempt to do, that would be my POV. Catching on yet? Thanks for proving my point AGAIN, AGAIN!

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Post ID: @b0+1k1kgtymx

That’s also the model we used during my time in the military for after action reviews.

It doesn’t matter though. With the RTO mandate and this new Amazon philosophy that they have adopted, they’ve lost the workforce. Probably by design.

Let’s just face it - Ford is a pathetic shell of what it once was. It’s nothing more than a perpetual trend chasing machine. No true leadership, just endless placating of Wall Street and whatever political regime is in power.

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Post ID: @az+1k1kgtymx

@as What is your point? I read the whole thing. You just yap without any conclusion. Fake profound—found.

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Post ID: @ay+1k1kgtymx

@aw https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGj5dGsL2Bdul_iFTp8aG2-8mBq4b8GPdtXYhj_Pm3dg&s=10

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Post ID: @ax+1k1kgtymx

@av Thats your POV. LMAO! You have proven my case. Thanks!

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Post ID: @aw+1k1kgtymx

How about: iiwii (pronounced eewee) (It is what it is). Call it like it is, NOT as you see it. "In G*d I trust. All others speak with data. "No data, it didn't happen"! Facts only exist in the past and present, NOT in the future. Future events are PURE speculation and opinion. Now, about those forecasts and projections? Who cares what has been identified. What is actually being "REALIZED"? Sp-t(?) in one hand, wish in the other. Which one fills up first? A "Point of View (POV)" is just as useful as a POS and both usually stink! Unfortunately, history repeats itself. Repeats itself. Repeats itself!

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Post ID: @as+1k1kgtymx

Performance is all performative. Feedback is useless if it is not objective. Every review I had was filled with subjective feedback. I countered with legit examples of where the organization and leadership could improve but was only met with “we all have blockers at ford.” Excuse after excuse. I needed leadership and the organization to be better in areas in order for me to meet my asks. Not to mention keep up with competition.

Make no mistake this is a direct move to we-ponize subjective performance reviews at scale over the next year.

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Post ID: @aq+1k1kgtymx

'Workin 9 to 5...

Too funny...

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Post ID: @an+1k1kgtymx

Just get your 4 badge swipes in per week starting in 1 month.

And sit in your free address desk for the whole day, dont care what you work on.

Even better if you look te--orized, scared, and depressed.

That is what Ford wants now from you sheep.

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Post ID: @a8+1k1kgtymx

So glad to read your note. Keep being human and doing what is right. I'm concerned we are conducting a social experiment to try and dehumanize the Blue Oval and create a nasty environment so people will rage quit. We can still win by doing it the right way. Remember Go Further...The Right Way?

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