No benefit to this. More attrition and lost productivity on it way.
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I told my manager I'm one foot out the door the day the email went out.
Fwiw, managers are having to fill out spreadsheets stating whether or not the change from once to 39 per quarter will make the IC a flight risk. Surely no one with half a brain will say "yes" lest they put a target on their back.
Do the minimum. Don't go in.
They can't PIP everyone.
@1f8 some of us work with other countries therefore I’d work 8-5 and then bang out a few more hours in the evening, not a focused 8-5 knockout. Your AI argument leaves out some particulars that are important as part of the discussion.
@1f5 maybe you haven't worked at NetApp long enough. If they say the target is 39 days, THAT is what is expected, not the 31-day minimum. Minimum isn't good enough.
Nope, not “work sprawl.” My work hours at home are also tightly controlled but very focused. Adding in a commute simply cuts time away from my ability to do work.
Who’s to say, though, that the ability to break up the day isn’t valuable to many people? What about people who do best with intense bursts of work, then breaks (where something valuable around the house can be done)? Or people who need to pick up their kids from a nearby school then return to work?
Office mandates completely eliminate this as an option.
@OP I asked an AI engine to analyze my critque of the RTO critics. Enjoy.
Opening: You raise a genuinely interesting point that doesn't get discussed enough. There's a real argument that "flexibility" for some workers is actually just work sprawl — where tasks that could be done in a focused 8-hour block end up bleeding into evenings and weekends because the boundaries are gone.
A few things worth considering on your side of this:
The diffuse work problem is real. When you're home, the temptation to answer a Slack message at 9pm, do "just a little more" after dinner, or check email on Sunday morning is constant. Many remote workers aren't actually working less — they're just working worse, in fragmented bursts that feel productive but aren't deeply focused.
Office structure creates a forcing function. If you have to be somewhere from 8 to 5, you're incentivized to knock things out. The commute home is a hard stop. That psychological boundary has real value that younger workers who've never known anything else may not appreciate.
The youth angle has some merit too. Younger workers who went remote right out of college never developed the muscle of sustained in-office work. They may genuinely not know what they're missing in terms of discipline, mentorship, and the kind of ambient learning that happens when you're physically around experienced colleagues.
Closing: But your core instinct — that flexibility can be a trap that disguises poor time management as lifestyle optimization — is a sharper critique than most of the media coverage gives credit for. A lot of people have confused access to their time with actual free time.
@a3 Six hours a week? C'mon man that ain't nothing. That's like 1 hour each way for a 3 day RTO. There are plenty of people who would trade places with you.
@a4 If you work for NTAP, he's listed in the global address list in Outlook. Send him an email and ask him.
@11a 39 is the target, 31 is the min threshold. Read the FAQ
@sj and not only that. For example, my role requires me to visit customers and partners for two straight weeks during the end of the quarter (sales, manufacturing, etc). It's mandatory. If I want to meet the "quota" then I'll probably need to go four times a week, just to be on the safe side in case I need to take sick days or PTO. This policy is so stupid. By the way, I'm not against coming to the office; I'm against cr-ppy policies that are basically designed to force attrition.
@sj The trackers don't care. If you take vacation and cannot do your three days that week, you gotta make them up in subsequent weeks. It's unfortunately very black and white. Either you make the 39 days a quarter or you do not.
@sj That's the thing. They're not accounting for any additional hardship. Instead, they're betting on it. That just means one less bonus or promotion they have to pay out.
Huge blizzard about to hit the East Coast. How are they even planning to account for all the different weather patterns etc that can cause people to not make their quotas? This is so stupid.
It’s just another soft layoff. They’ll get their reduction in HC this wave, then announce 4 days and get another, finally going back to 5 days and a final free round of layoffs.
offices with no desks, just hot seats from covid workspace shedding era
offices with no desks, just hot seats from covid workspace shedding era
no space to personalize your overlord's draconian 2.5' x 3.5' work table with a couple monitors last cleaned in 2021
no parking at many sites, or very limited.
many illegal "offices" where a space designated for 10-15 people by the county have been turned into corrals by George. thoughts by George, with standing room only we can cram 117 AI drones copy and pasting slop into the code base.
toilets, the toilets, what the f happens when a space for 15 people has a single sh----r and there are 117 bodies present? then the "office" plumbing gets stopped up and the fe--s starts seeping out from under the door?
even worse, what about a single sh----r covered in shatter?
Why don't they just call this what it is? ANOTHER RTO RIFF.
This 3 days a week show is only a test to identify the short comings of the current "office" space.
Starting Q2-27, it will be 4 days a week. By Q3, FULL RTO.
Don't get comfortable those of you 40.3 miles away from your nearest "office" sh-t box. GEORGE IS COMING FOR YOU. Plan your next stop, North Idaho.
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Until the loss in productivity is greater than the cost of severance for non-compliant employees, the company will continue to make stupid decisions like this. This is why every employee who cares should quiet quit. Do what you were hired to do, but no more. Look for a better job while your coasting so you're ready to interview and have some chances at a new role when they inevitably PIP then fire you for doing your job but not being in the office.
Should just go ahead and make it 5 days and get it over with. Then let folks make their choice to stay or leave or how they will work. I can tell you a lot of the before and after hours meetings will have to end. Not to mention you won't be able to find a place to have a confidential zoom meeting as everyone still works on distributed teams across many sites and locations. The pain here far outweighs any benefits. Not to mention people don't really want to be tracked like a hunting dog... 40 miles also could mean 2+ hours for some folks. I am also curious is anyone is actually measuring the planned impacts of this and what will actually happen as far as productivity.
Agree with the sentiment here. Just a ploy to increase attrition. Take a look around at the number of senior leaders who have been hired in as remote over the last few years and you'll quickly realize there is a complete double standard going on and none of this has anything to do with a "performance culture".
🫡 Yes sir, Mr. Kurian, Sir. I will diligently report to NetApp Base 3 days, rain, snow, or shine.
Priorities, sir:
- A-s in seat
- Critical project A
- Critical project B
- Exploration and innovation
This means I drop everything to drive in when I find a slot. Just like you wanted, sir. I understand how critical this is for our success and I will shift delivery on projects and decline meetings to accommodate, sir. I know our success in the fight against our enemies rides on this, sir. I won’t let you down and will perhaps exceed your expectations at 40+ days, sir.
Every employee being forced back into office should intentionally and immediately decrease their velocity. If leadership really thinks they'll save some pennies by taking PTO, bonuses and quality of life away, I think they should suffer the consequences through direct negative impact. They're playing chicken with their top talent. By withdrawing consequential, real-life benefits with the hopes of voluntary resignations and stealing bonuses, the leadership in this company will leave nothing but brittle bones. These people need be held accountable when product quality is sunk and production is all but halted.
Some orgs in NetApp are highly, highly distributed. When everyone works at the same site, maybe the ”back to the norm” argument works. Not the case for many people at NetApp. It’s just a barrier and makes it harder to fit meetings into the day.
@b6 How did you acquire such a taste for leather? Something in the leather? Or are you just in it for the texture?
Just work and be pleased you have a job at an office. The office is the norm. A FT home office is becoming rare unless you don't need as much income.
As opposed to all those irreplaceable, layoff-proof in-office workers? The ones that have survived every layoff initiative so far?
You have all the tools to be a critical thinker, and this is how you use them?
What a shame.
@a5 Bullsh-t. They want to reduce headcount and minimize costs. It has nothing to do with low performers.
I am still coping from the stolen 200 plus hour PTOs. This is just icing on the cake. Thanks GK
@ad A goal is not a strategy and a goal without strategy is just a wish.
Silent Layoff in progress, iteration #2385849
Remember the days when employees were treated like adults? Now they could care less about employees.
I think this is also about reducing the cost of bonuses. That is the only direct financial impact (aside from the lost productivity) for the company. They’re not close to hitting $10B and they don’t want to admit the strategy and product mix is wrong.
Leadership? Ha! Tell me you have no clue without saying you have no clue.
will they be
Ignore the baseless @a6 troll who likely has reading comprehension challenges and probably doesn’t understand the word “research” and would likely swallow any bucket of BS he’s fed.
@a6 work efficiency at home is above that at the office. Collaboration at the discretion of the individual makes more sense than forced compliance to put cheeks in seats. They are going to take us to 5 days in-office soon enough. This is a cost of living increase, an increase to our commute times, and an overall reduction in quality of life. It's cr-p. Ambitious goals and high achievement cultures should trust the individuals to know whether or not their presence is needed in the office. Everything they're doing right now seems to be intended to drive attrition.
Most people already RTOd years ago after covid. Welcome back to reality. Commuting has been done since the office chair was invented. If you are not at the office you are replaceable. People out of work would gladly take it from you if not sent overseas
@a2 Yep. Netapp maintains an unregretted attrition goal (aka a list of poor performers they want gone). Ideally they want these people to quit on their own to avoid costly layoffs so they do stuff like this.
I wonder if GK and the other executives will also have to come in 3 days a week.
Yeah sitting in a car for a 6 hour a week commute makes perfect sense. Just great for my productivity.
Other companies do this as a method of “soft layoffs”. The 40-mile increase is pretty indicative of that to me, and the elimination of any distance constraints for India even more so.