https://www.news18.com/business/economy/trump-says-days-of-us-companies-hiring-in-india-building-factories-in-china-are-over-ws-l-9460458.html
preach
countries without any production on their soil should not be doing work related to it just because they’re dirt cheap
it should be because they are the best at it
who cares. i am very excited to replace all of india with agents. if the work can be done remotely, then it can be automated
high value work happens closer to the assets. that’s what will remain after ai. i don’t want to hear any complaints. same people who currently say “the company supply do what’s cheaper” are about to lose their careers. no take backs. i’ll be laughing
If you look at Glassdoor most of the Shell India staff like the WLB, kind people and paid sick leaves. So they are not just with Shell for the money. Read that again.
@sb I have worked with many colleagues from STCB over the years.
Indians are used to being employed as IT support for the likes of IBM. In these tech jobs they are paid to stay in front of a computer 24/7 and their rent, food, electricity, water, aircon, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, whatever you can think of, are paid for so that they can say "Hello, how may I help you?" when the notification pops up.
Such a person would refuse a Shell job. Too much, boring work for too little pay, when proper tech companies are out there. STCB staff are paid poorly compared to tech workers. SBO staff are paid 5x less than the regular STCB staff.
When someone from SBO costs 20x less than a western JG5, bosses are pretty happy to take the chance on the SBO guy. So instead of the JG5 solving something in 1 hour, the JG5 needs to book 2 hours to train the SBO guy, the SBO guy goes away for 1 week, delivers the wrong thing and the JG5 spends another 2 hours cleaning up the mess and gets told off for delaying the delivery.
@sb you based these sweeping generalisations on what? at least they make it into the office unlike their US counterparts... who are of course 100% productive at home, never watching sports of trading shares...
It is a shame that Shell is exploiting mineral resources of America but not giving jobs to Americans rather offshoring the jobs to India where productivity is even worse.
@gs
Indians too are not productive and committed. They spend time watching sports, movies and carry out stock trading in office on their cell phones during working hours. They disappear from office during working hours. This is evident wherever they work in western companies in Bangalore, middle east, south east, etc. Perhaps, a few local middle eastern companies extract productivity with strict HR policies which is not possible in Shell, being a western company.
@gs it isn't about productivity at all. The decision to use these these SBO locations is simply because of their low cost. It is the easiest way for the functions to meet the cost cutting targets they are given. Then management doesn't have to actually figure out how to cut out the bureaucracy and do things more simply. Why do you think the ways-of-working changes don't get discussed until after the re-org? The re-org isn't based on anything but, "oh cr-p, how do we reduce base to hit this number". It is far easier to shuffle people around (re-org), shift roles to cheap SBOs, and claim success. While everything remains as bureaucratic as it has always been.
There is hope (kinda)... AI is even cheaper. But AI needs business knowledgeable, creative, experienced and skilled hands to get real lasting value from it. As a result I think you will see a shift away from SBO to business proximate locations to get those types of people, but that is going to take some time (3+ years).
Before blaming India, let we, in America, be more productive in the eight working hours we spend for Shell, become more technically competent, own a problem and solve it, get rid of laziness and complacency. It has become a habit in operating companies for staff to delegate work and problem solving to external consultants affecting production and project execution. This is reflective of laziness and incompetency. Managements of operating companies have no choice but to go to countries like India where people are subservient due to severe competition in their job market, who can speak a bit of English and where a huge headcount is available. Bangalore office in India is like an external consultant for Shell management. There is a reason why along with Shell, Exxon, BP, Chevron, etc are having to reach out to India.
With that said, Indians too are poor in decision making and owing problems.
@f1
you missed it
Great! um ... what about UK companies?
The whole point of a global economy is leveraging the advantages of location, readily available resources and labor, all balanced by cost advantage. Like it or not, it’s been gearing that direction for decades and there’s no turning back.
But instead of leveraging global advantages to its benefit, the US is currently focused on reactionary policies and meaningless proclamations decreeing the “Gulf of America”.
Oh boy.
@ac selective application of rationale, as in it’s apparently not ok for companies to offshore some work if they make money in the US, but it’s fine for US companies to make money across the globe and pay no taxes at the point of profit.
Would be great if companies could no longer use Indian labor to replace Americans because they don’t want to pay a fair wage in the country they operate in and use the resources of
how would america, nearly the only country in the world without laws requiring hiring locals, making laws for that be a new thing or “selective”?
because only everyone else can get a free ride? because some corporations get tax benefits? does that really make sense?
@a7 nonsense talk, plenty of us corps massively benefit outside the us and not paying taxes in the countries they generate huge profits from, the tech giants, Starbucks, uber etc the list goes on and on. We are a global economy, can’t just selectively unwire decades in the making
Great in theory but in reality does trump follow through with his promises?
It seems unlikely. Trump always chickens out
Shell is also a British company(legally moved from the netherlands a few year ago), not an American one. Certainly, since they harvest American resources, Trump could really pressure them if he wanted to regardless.
My take is that i’m just glad somebody is talking about it. It doesn’t seem fair that you can get all the upside of US minerals without giving anything substantial back to the US. Also worth nothing that the Netherlands as well as many other parts of Europe and indeed the entire world have protection laws that force people operating in their soil to preferentially hire locals. So it would be far from unusual up to require that. America is really the exception, not the norm, when it comes to allowing offshoring.
Frankly I would love to see offshoring banned. It’s not our responsibility to prop up the developing world so corporations can save a buck or two.
This is sad news. We need to be more cognizant of other contributions to Shell and the rest of the World. People around the world are hardly working people, who just want meaningful employment, a home, food and basics such as car, phone and internet. We as global citizens should be heralding the contributions of the everyone around the globe.
Do you think this will help US employees of Shell?