Thread regarding Ford layoffs

It's not the executives (MFGA)

It's the employees, HR, and middle management. To save this company, I propose mandatory reading classes. We also need to give reading and literacy tests. I propose we don't have this constant stigma around logical conversations. I believe there is an issue where others mistake emotionally charged or conversations that trigger emotions as being emotional. We need to make thinking great again and rid ourselves of the insecure employees through a trickle-down framework where over-time those part-time reading arm-chair insecure psychologists are laughed out this company.

Here is the proposal:

Mandatory Reading and Literacy Development

Literacy is foundational to clear communication, comprehension of business materials, and professional development.

  • Implement mandatory reading programs for employees and middle management.
  • Choose material focused on critical thinking, professional communication, and company-relevant content.
  • Host regular discussion sessions to reinforce understanding and application.

Reading and Literacy Assessments

  • Introduce non-punitive literacy assessments.
  • Use results to inform individual development plans.
  • Ensure assessments focus on reading comprehension, logical reasoning, and effective written communication.

It's essential to know the current literacy level across the company to tailor interventions appropriately.

Encourage Logic-Based Dialogue Over Emotionally Reactive Exchanges

Workplace discussions are often dismissed as “emotional” when they are merely emotionally resonant or challenging.

Emotionally triggering topics aren’t inherently emotional—they may still be logical, data-driven, or policy-based.

  • Train teams on critical thinking and how to separate the emotional impact of a message from its logical structure.
  • Promote a culture where difficult conversations are seen as necessary, not threatening.

Destigmatize Logical Conversations

Some employees may feel that using logic or questioning decisions is confrontational.

  • Create guidelines and safe spaces for respectful disagreement.
  • Encourage middle managers to model logical discourse without defensiveness.
  • Reinforce that challenging ideas is not the same as disrespecting individuals.

Psychological Safety & Respectful Disagreement Framework

To protect the culture of respectful, logic-based communication, we must address the rising tendency to deflect or pathologize others during challenging conversations.

Some employees may feel discomfort when confronted with logic or perspectives that challenge their assumptions. This discomfort should not result in labeling others with derogatory or psychological terms such as “manic”, “schizo” or worse.

Such labels, especially when used during disagreements, do not align with a culture of respect, and are a form of intellectual dismissal.

  • All employees must refrain from attributing mental or emotional states to others during discourse.
  • Dismissive labeling during logical conversation will be treated as a communication issue and addressed via coaching or performance review.
  • Conflict resolution training will include modules on “how to disagree without personalizing” and “recognizing defensiveness in yourself and others".

This company will now practice intellectually honest engagement, even when outcomes don’t favor them. We will now encourage a norm where admitting when one is mistaken is seen as a strength. Feigning ignorance or redirecting blame when presented with clear evidence is counterproductive to team learning and you will be removed from this company in front of all your peers as an act of public shame.

All employees are expected to maintain respectful discourse. Dismissing others’ ideas through derogatory labels, including unfounded psychological or personal attributions, is inconsistent with our values and will be addressed through coaching or corrective action.

Upholding Integrity in the Use of Policies, Procedures, and Authority

A high-trust workplace depends on the honest and consistent application of company policies, procedures, and standards, not selective enforcement or misuse.

  • Misrepresenting rules, citing nonexistent procedures, or selectively applying policies for personal gain erodes organizational integrity. All employees, regardless of role, are expected to engage with policies in good faith.
  • When challenged, HR must not default to vague or inaccessible procedures to shut down dialogue. Transparency and clarity should be the norm, not the exception.
    = Leaders and middle managers are expected to model fair, honest decision-making, not power retention. Authority should never be used to silence logic, discourage feedback, or override valid concerns without explanation.
  • Encourage teams to fact-check interpretations of policies in a non-confrontational way. Build systems where clarification is welcomed, not punished.
  • Deliberate misrepresentation of facts, whether to avoid accountability or manipulate outcomes, will be addressed as a performance and integrity issue, not as a matter of disagreement. Any intention gaslight or manipulate reality, even for the companies sake, will result in a 30 minute public shaming session at Rotunda for employees and non-employees alike to attend for a laugh.

“Read It, Pizza Pan!” Rewards Program

Employees earn rewards (like a free pizza, gift card, or lunch with leadership) for completing and reflecting on reading assignments.

  • How it works*
  • Employees log books or articles they’ve read from an approved list (can include both professional development and broader literature that supports critical thinking or empathy).
  • After completing a reading, employees submit a short reflection or participate in a discussion session.
  • Upon reaching milestones (e.g., 3 books in a quarter), they receive a “Read It, Pizza Pan” reward (e.g., a voucher, team pizza party, or badge of recognition).

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Post ID: @OP+1k5et5055

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@rx I'm going to reply to your comment in general context to ford and not on the dialogue of the comment you mentioned.

"Most issues come from a lack of communication, not harmful intent." Not from my personal experience here personally, unfortunately... but hey, maybe I'm an outlier in your statistic.

'A better way to understand someone’s thoughts is to ask them directly rather than rely on assumptions." It isn't always going to be accurate, or truthful... whether intentional or not, from personal experience here. I would argue that it ended up piling more unfortunate absurdity to weave through. Hard to keep track when you keep trusting, lol.

"Skipping that step of dialogue and critical thinking can create issues that don’t need to exist", this could be a double-edged sword, because let's say you do hold dialogue? What then? From personal experience, it was used to arm them with information to use with malice.

My specific situation is not everyone's situation though and there have obviously been times where what you're saying has worked out in a well-mannered way. My experience repeatedly here failed to reflect that. Of course, this situation doesn't give me a reason to stop trusting and holding dialogue with others, but to be weary when it comes to interacting with anything "Ford", and for very good reason.

I like what you said though, outside of the situation where I'm using as a counter-argument. We all should do more to connect with others that we deem trust-worthy authentically without worry. This does not mean be naive though.

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Post ID: @s8+1k5et5055

@re Good addition. If education is their only metric for worth, then by their definition, we’re not stupid. Their binary logic equates education with worth, and role with worth (which, to them, is rooted in education) under this simplification which could be a false dichotomy if it weren't for the fact it's often used by individuals (and systems) because it's easy to operationalize, which leadership seems to be using to dismiss or explain away resistance. According to the system that is setup, we're not inherently incapable (stupid), they just failed to 'educate' us properly. Through this reasoning, the company admits it has failed at: training, communication, development, and leadership. When I say ‘no one is stupid’, I’m highlighting the absurdity of equating worth strictly with being ‘educated’. If we are GSR and the leveling came down to being educated or not, and not on contextual merit, is that level an achieved status or ascribed (under their lens that being educated equates to worth). It's not whether you concur or not with the idea that "no one is stupid", it's that the system can't acknowledge any other failure mode when it is literally part of an acceptance criteria for leveling. It becomes "educated or not educated", because if one carries all the other aspects, they won't qualify. Worth is based on education, and role is attributed to worth. This is a system where it dismisses anything different, which creates a feedback loop where it can't recognize its own failures. Key part here is that i'm not saying that leaders are simply avoiding the issue as you'll see me go further on that part below.

Imagine an engineer with 15 years of experience says:

“This part will fail under stress; I’ve seen it before.”

But a manager with an MBA says:

“You didn’t go to business school; you’re not seeing the big picture. Stay in your lane.”

The engineer is capped because they don't have an MBA. Despite achieving merit on the subject matter, they are inherently classified an ascribed status which hurts their impression. By the MBA person's logic, the engineer is not educated and therefore in the role they're in and unqualified to share their thesis. This system gives the manager informal power, where this can be used when convenient, while leveraging the engineer's mind whenever favorable to their own interests... without appropriate accreditation that would let them rise internally. I've seen this happen. Where it only becomes a problem when it gets in the way of someone else's "good thing" they have going. Again, not saying all managers are like this, even if a manager tried to advocate for someone else.. they're informal power may not be enough to convince the in-group who carries confirmation bias towards the subject. Misplacement or inaccurate attribution, good and bad credit alike, turns it into an uphill battle where they don't know if those with informal power might flip the switch or not in subsequent rounds. This is also why trusting the process is dangerous when the systems underlying mechanisms don't include safeguards in-case the others don't cooperate ultimately (bag holding). Factors like race, age, and gender definitely do play a role here as well, but these are more hidden, one with merit could be held back under the safer 'rules' designed by the system, like the education we are talking about to avoid being called out for discrimination, this only magnifies informal power and culture. There is systemic bias, then there are education-based barriers. My point is that education-based barriers can covertly mask or compound other issues like race and gender, you will see similarities with my examples further below when I bring up Silicon Valley and California.

Lets say the engineer warns their manager, and instead of objectively approaching the input, they call the engineer "arrogant". This point is made to reject the assumption of confirmation bias in my own reasoning, but to bring forth confirmation bias to the systems reasoning. It is to show proof of a broken system... not because I already believe that, but because these occurrences are real anecdotes. I'm not saying leadership and the company system are failing intentionally, i'm pointing out structural issues that aren't necessarily easy to improve from upwards-communication. It's up to the ones making decisions top-down to cascade change. The truism in these specific issues makes me in​fer that these systemic issues aren't blindspots, but persist due to something more nuance like risk aversion, HR practices, culture inertia. I'm not seeking to overgeneralize managers, or decision makers as individual behaviors, I'm using it to show systemic tendencies based on how things are rigged. I understand it's not so simple. Not all organizations operate with the same biases or failures. 15 years of engineering experience should not automatically outweigh the MBA manager's expertise either, which i talk about near the end where I cover relevance. Formal education isn't a bad way to assess and acquire knowledge at all, that is not my point.

Ascribed:

  • “This person is an engineer from MIT, so they must be smart.”
    = “They’re in management, so they understand strategy.”
  • “They work in HR, so they know people.”

This assumption that value is a built-in trait because of your background or job title which is ascribed from whether or not you are educated.

Achieved:

  • An engineer who learns to debug complex systems over time.
  • A technician who improves a workflow through experience and self-study.
  • Someone who improves their communication skills through honest feedback and growth.

The distinction between ascribed and achieved status isn’t about whether education is valuable or hard-earned, but how the company or system values it. It's not about us-vs-them, but about cutting through the bias that reinforces gatekeeping criteria that effectively undermines the system in itself. You could also attach this same lens to public institutions and ask why one doesn't qualify for admissions in academia... just go back to what is defined as worth. Not every “educated” person fits the stereotype nor every “uneducated” person lacks merit. Formal education or Ford education (which could also mean upholding the status quo without deviation like 'going rogue') may be necessary when you can't gain i​t elsewhere as an autodidact, the problem is when it excludes merit unfairly. The meaning of education in general, varied by formal academic and company/on-the-job alike could very well be a different interpretation from an autodidacts perspective, which is built on their own experiences which may cause dissonance in others that may lack understanding whether consciously or not from a traditional educational background.

I'm also not the one behind this binary framing of education, i'm describing real barriers that make merit not worth valuing, which is an exorbitant squandering of human capital. This isn't an assumption that the sy​stem only values education, the point is that the other aspects aren't factored as a result of how roles are defined here. There are other factors, but they are marginalized under the weight of education. Apparently, just because I’m from California (or worked in a startup), I’m automatically viewed as innovative, regardless of actual merit. Same thing with being educated from there. This is a real documented dilemma, all you have to do is search Silicon Valley and Ford. I say both in matrix because not all companies value the same "Silicon Valley startup" bias that Ford has for some reason championed through discrepancy when it comes to compensation, flexibility, perks, advancement, and absent scrutiny. I'm also not saying MBAs are gatekeepers who dismiss talent, I'm saying the system does. I'm not saying this always happens, I'm saying it's inconsistent, but the damaging impact of reducing outliers could very well be large, not that informal power favors absolute. I'm also not blaming others from California, i'm blaming the inherent superiority granted to those from there due to geography. While it may seem like I'm blurring the original topic on education, I bring up geographical assumptions because it ends up as impression management for their education which makes it flexible for them to miss other qualification. A good example of this is a student coming to America to study and then going back to their home country. This gives them bigger impression on others from their origin.

Tying it all back to ascribed (assigned worth) vs achieved (earned worth):

  • Where you're from (California, MIT) vs. What you've done (fixed problems, innovated)
  • What title you hold (MBA, manager) vs. What value you create
  • What company you worked in (big-tech) vs. How you solve problems, deliver

I'm not saying those who have a degree from a prestigious institution didn't achieve it. I'm talking about relevance, what is valued as worth, and how it can undermine worth. When I say achieved vs. ascribed, I don’t mean a false dichotomy. I mean its contextual relevance, and how failing to meet one can have greater impacts when the system values ascribed status (like education) as impression management for not meeting other parts of criteria for a role whereas missing that qualification but meeting everything else ends up far more scrutinized. Sometimes, sacrifices were made during times of formal education to achieve the qualities that are truly sought after and valuable. Ultimately, a system that overly prioritizes education as a proxy for worth risks sidelining valuable contributions and perpetuating inequities. I'm not assuming education is the only or dominant factor everywhere. My point is that outliers remain heavily marginalized, which makes them a candidate for doing their own thing such as in entrepreneurship, which could also give reason to why formal education is missing. An issue could be when an outlier like that tries to try a​nd jointly build, but ends up scrutinized and smeared, which, if left without recourse, hurts their optics for going back to their original endeavors that were more conducive to them.

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Post ID: @s5+1k5et5055

@aw That wasn’t me you were replying to, I agree with the concepts above. Sometimes authorship gets attributed where it doesn’t belong. A better way to understand someone’s thoughts is to ask them directly rather than rely on assumptions. Skipping that step of dialogue and critical thinking can create issues that don’t need to exist. Most issues come from a lack of communication, not harmful intent. Hopefully people feel comfortable speaking directly before making assumptions.

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Post ID: @rx+1k5et5055

@r7 uneducated does not equal stupid; educated doesn't make you not d-mb

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Post ID: @re+1k5et5055

@qr No one’s stupid, only uneducated

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Post ID: @r7+1k5et5055

@qc Town-halls are ineffective when educating the general ford pop is very difficult. Rhetoric is all that is left. There is vision, then there is execution.

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Post ID: @qr+1k5et5055

The true diagnosis is that the working levels are not supporting the Ford+ transformation plan and not doing what they are told to focus on by leadership.

How many more Global Town Halls or other executive all hands meetings must there be for the GSR's at-large to get this?

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Post ID: @qc+1k5et5055

TL; DR

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Post ID: @qa+1k5et5055

Okay this post is just sh*t posting. But the number of people I've met in this company that lack basic reading skills is a little absurd. People write requirements, but then can't call out failures based on their own requirements!

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Post ID: @jj+1k5et5055

Playing house vibes. Pretending this would do more good than harm, is like pretending communism can work.

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Post ID: @gb+1k5et5055

So, just who do the failing, clueless and inept NVA non-executives (MFGA) report to? DUH! FAIL Motor Company at its finest!

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Post ID: @f8+1k5et5055

@b9

The ruination phase could take years, but is definitely underway.

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Post ID: @bb+1k5et5055

@b3 You all say this every year. Any day now, right? Collapse coming soon, right? On that same note, just like Chinese workers were blamed for “taking jobs”, H-1B workers are often blamed for undercutting wages or replacing domestic workers. Criticizing H-1B abuse is legit. Blaming the workers themselves, though, is just punching down. This is just corporate deja vu. Follow the Ford+ Plan and shut up or get!

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Post ID: @b9+1k5et5055

The Board has inserted execs who are tasked with extracting maximum money from everything the company touches.

They have brought the company to the phase where it's time to ruin it and profit one last time from the corpse.

That is what they are doing.

Ask the Board.

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Post ID: @b3+1k5et5055

Ahhh OP is trying to indoctrinate us!! LISTEN everyone: do NOT fall for this brainwashing!! Whatever you do… do NOT read this post!! This is how they control you!!

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Post ID: @ax+1k5et5055

@as Are you talking about Ford OS behaviors? Just because you say it is something, doesn't mean it's logical.

Just like what is suggested in the original post, don't mistake facts with feelings. Sounds to me like you're the employee that inspired this post

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Post ID: @aw+1k5et5055

Probably be a very perscribed reading list, this sounds more like indoctrination than education. Say no to fascism!

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Post ID: @as+1k5et5055

You obviously have never worked for an enterprise or you would understand how futile your words are.

Don't you write for The Onion?

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Post ID: @an+1k5et5055

@af Manic

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Post ID: @ah+1k5et5055

@af Severe allergic reaction to ChatGPT, manifesting as kneejerk “won’t replace people” declarations in unrelated contexts.

Repetitive verbal tic: “no. no GSRs approved these".

AOCs:

Compulsive invocation of “the GSRs” as shadowy arbiters of truth.

Diagnosis

Possible comorbidity with Corporate PTSD, triggered by flashbacks to electric vehicle launch failures.

Treatment:

  • Prescribe daily exposure to non-Ford vehicles (Toyota Camry, Honda Civic) to desensitize
    emotional triggers.
  • Structured desensitization therapy: repeat phrase “ChatGPT is just autocomplete” until blood pressure stabilizes.
  • Strict limitation: no more than 3 acronyms per comment, monitored by community moderators.

Ubiquitous Language Glossary for all Steak Eaters:

GSR Obsession Disorder (GSROD) – a rare condition where the patient elevates corporate governance acronyms to divine status.

AI Replacement Anxiety (AIRA) – chronic fear that chatbots are lurking around the corner, ready to sn---h pensions and titles.

Areas of Concern (AOC) - Areas of concern.

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Post ID: @ag+1k5et5055

nice use of chatgpt. another example why chatgpt won't replace people. do the GSRs approve not 1 but 2 electric vehicles that sell worse than prior ford flops that got executives fired or demoted to manage some parts depot in the middle of nowhere? no. no GSRs approved these.

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Post ID: @af+1k5et5055

@a3 obviously does not work for Ford.

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Post ID: @ae+1k5et5055

Reforming Hiring, Promotion, and Policy Gatekeeping

To build a company culture that truly rewards merit, intellect, and impact, we must address the quiet old and washed systems of suppression that have taken root across hiring, HR, and middle management processes.

The Problem with Surface-Level Hiring

Our current approach to recruitment over-relies on credentials and perceived prestige (top schools, titles, jargon) while overlooking real-world capability. This results in hires who:

  • Look good on paper but under-perform in practice.
  • Rely on authority, not reasoning.
  • React defensively to intellectual challenge rather than engaging with it.

We must stop mistaking polish for performance and output.

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Post ID: @ac+1k5et5055

I've heard scary people use the word drivel before. It's terrifying. I certainly hope I don't come across someone saying drivel in person. I'm scared

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Post ID: @ab+1k5et5055

@a9 What the fu-k does this even mean.

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Post ID: @aa+1k5et5055

@a7 go ask ChatGPT what drivel means lol

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Post ID: @a9+1k5et5055

me work at Ford no goooogle

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Post ID: @a8+1k5et5055

@a3 Drivel? What does this even mean? What are you trying to say? Why not speak plainly?

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Post ID: @a7+1k5et5055

Okee dokee armchair Dr. Phil!

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Post ID: @a6+1k5et5055

@a3 Zero Tolerance for Ad Hominem Dismissal & Intellectual Undermining

Any employee engaging in ad hominem dismissal of others' work will be required to participate in a 30-minute Discourse Accountability Circle (DAC) held in the Rotunda.

These open sessions are structured, moderated discussions where the individual must either:

  • Offer a reasoned counterpoint to the ideas they dismissed
  • Or acknowledge the attempt to undermine was personal and unproductive

Attendance is open to all employees and past employees. (Tomatoes will be available for purchase near the cafeteria, but accountability will be provided for free).

This is not about punishment. It’s about protecting a culture where effort and ideas are taken seriously. Let disagreement be honest, but let disrespect be illuminated.

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Post ID: @a5+1k5et5055

@OP TLDR

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Post ID: @a4+1k5et5055

@OP ChatGPT drivel

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Post ID: @a3+1k5et5055

OP you are being too demanding and this is pure arrogance!

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Post ID: @a1+1k5et5055

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