Should IBM change its direction with India after this past week we see India running shoulders with Russia?
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India plays both sides of the fence with the Russia/China regimes and the US. They will never be a strong US friend, at least with their current leadership. The US needs to exercise caution with them and restrict the flow of intellectual information to them since the information could easily fall into Russian and Chinese hands. So yes, we should be very careful henceforth in our dealings with India
IBM like most of corporate America will do what all major companies listed on the Stock exchange do in this era, priotise share holders. So if India becomes something too expensive for Shareholders and Profits, they will just move to something else to protect profits and shareholder value (just like Oracle, MSoft, Salesforce, Apple,
You really want to change the dynamic, you have to change the whole thinking, and put employee value == or > Shareholder value. But in a world run by stock markets and the debt ponzi scheme every country (not just US) has, this will not get better for your average Joe, it will get worse and worse.
I believe in the next couple of years India will have an almighty crash, as they will be too expensive for most western countries, and outsourcing as we know it will retrench, and at that time India will have one he-l of a recession (as they build there economy on cheap skilled labour), but there will come a time when they are not cheap enough, and they will crash hard.
But that will not equate to high paying jobs coming back to the US (or EU). As the dynamic of having to make higher and higher profits does not change, nor does the dynamic of an economy which has to have a stock market rising higher and higher every week.
Working at IBM is like rubbing a marathon.
"Running shoulders" is creative, new and fun.
The crazy mixed metaphors are just out of control and it's not just people from countries whose first language isn't English. I deal with crazy s* all the time in Canada.
Hopefully the Gov will sanction IBM and Trump calls for Alvind to resign immediately as he's an Indian government implant. Just like Intel's CEO IBM despite falling for years still has Gov contracts and Alvind has too cozy relationships with Modi and India. Clearly siphoning US technology to move to India. Export control should prohibit Indian based national serving US corporates contracts.
Alvind must go immediately.
"Should IBM change its direction with India after this past week we see India running shoulders with Russia?"
No. India, as a nation, has always had an independent ("non-aligned") foreign policy which is sometimes difficult to decipher. IBM should change its direction because they are not hiring long term, first class talent. There are (presumably) some great people in India but ultimately you get what you pay for. In transfer after transfer, IBM got some folks that they poached from somewhere else. A lot of these folks don't have really deep knowledge in IBM products and technology. But, worse, just like IBM poached them from somewhere else, someone else will poach them again before you know it. So the technology transfer will never really be complete and, sooner or later, IBM will have lost some of the key knowledge about their own products. This will be especially true on anything related to Z because that technology is painful and difficult and so why would I suffer like that if someone else is trying to poach me?
At the very least, there should have been more trials of transferring major products. This includes understanding what happens after 2 years ... or 5 years. But IBM went all in with no clinical trials to determine if every and all IBM customer needs are fully met for the current release of a product and the next. This is a grossly irresponsible strategy and THAT is why IBM should change direction.
On another thread, it looks like the Trump administration has also figured out that IBM is just barely American at this point. That may be another good reason to change direction.
If the cost savings achieved through layoffs and job transfers to India are so good, why isn't Alvind paid in Indian rupees instead of US dollars? It would save IBM a bundle, and get more money into the shareholders' pockets. And if you replace Alvind by AI, think of the increased cost savings....you'll have a perpetual money making machine. And you don't have to pay the Tamil crook anything.
That is all giveback value to shareholders.
India is an shole country like China and Russia, I wonder how many people trying going to those sholes on H1B visas, my guess is ZERO !
IBM is not pulling out of India
Alvind wants his cheap docile labor and he wants Wall Street to reward him
Levy additional corporate taxes on US companies based on Indian workforce numbers
Trump wishes he was like Xi Jinping, but ends up being Daffy Duck.
The best way to describe India is when a man of resources marries a gold digger. She delivers a service of convenience (not even value) for as long as the man sticks around, but has nothing of real value herself, other than maybe (kind of) look good on the surface for a while until you see there's nothing substantial to support it. You take the make up of and there comes the surprise.
No, we do not need 600,000 Chinese students and it was a mistake to think we do. Universities in the US need to be reformed, they need to serve a purpose, which is to educate people to be good citizens based on American founding values, good workers and good human beings. Stop teaching them useless subjects and careers, stop the indoctrination. Be selective with who we allow to teach our kids, such as these weird professors (foreign and not). I met a bunch of them that are literally nuts.
AK is ending IBM and blatantly moving things to India. He's doing it in front of our eyes and nobody seems to tell him, "hey, wait a minute... and now you also dismantle Red Hat, which costed us $34b 5-6 years ago and you said you can totally make it a success?"
Trump is going to turn the USA into a smouldering ash heap.
Companies are figuring this out and will eventually jump to be China / India run.
Russia is just a joke though and eventually China will smush it like a bug.
Welcome to the new world order.
The real fun starts, though, when China takes over Taiwan.
@OP Consider India as "a friend of convenience" only. They want US jobs but give little or nothing of value in return, except some good looking Powerpoint presentations. Let Modi and Alvind create their own jobs in India and see how that works - they call it self reliance, don't they ? H1B visas are nothing but a scam to take jobs and money from the US and move them to India. It's all about greed and more greed brought to you by McKinsey and IBM. Time to stop the H1B traffic.
Same goes for China - why do we need 600,000 students from that country unless someone in the White house is getting kickbacks ?
@a8 totally agree, just saying in an ideal world...
wait, you think that ibm has honor or loyalty
stray dogs are more trustworthy
A better position would be dog with IBM on top.
@a4 I'm is a lost cause. They need to just move everything to India and die there.
Why would we change anything when the cost savings are so good? The only thing that could cause a change is if the current administration recognizes that IBM is a foreign company pretending to be American.