When you are recommended by hiring managers to apply and go through interviews and then just receive nothing, is normal now? Even following up with recruiters and hiring manager and no reply is standard here?
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@vz
Regardless, If we're treated badly or disrespectfully during the interview process, or even if we were finally hired after dropping hundreds if not thousands of resumes, Customers/Job Applicants-Svckers STILL remember and don't forget the painful process!
We can and will choose NOT to buy your products and services, as well as NOT recommend them to friends and relatives!
Customers/Job Applicants-Svckers doing the above does NOT help the companies' revenue, profits and bottomed line. SCHADENFREUDE And REVENGE !
The media has coined the terms Revenge RTO and Malicious Compliance. Google these.
@gj you arent getting it. There is nothing you can improve on. You werent the best fit...someone else was better than you. Its really that simple. Keep applying to other jobs, you will be the best applicant eventually, just not this time.
@ga You got that backwards. All HR does is carry out wishes of the business, from the top down, and yet it receives your disdain instead of the manager. You prove that the model works. HR is hated by everyone, and that's why they get paid.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/articles/found-didnt-job-facebook-post-090401147.html
Employers forget that prospective, current and former employees ARE CUSTOMERS TOO !
If we're treated badly or disrespectfully during the interview process, or even if we were eventually hired, Customers still remember and don't forget the painful process!
We can and will choose NOT to buy your products and services, as well as NOT recommend them to friends and relatives!
I previously worked for a competitor bank. But before they eventually hired me, it took over 1100 applications/resume drops during 3 years!
I was NOT a customer of that bank and Never will be! I told the HR rep this during the exit interview. HR and the employer are so dense, it was as if a light bulb suddenly turned on in their heads and only when I said this did they suddenly realize this.
Also, flagging the former employees' record as "not eligible for rehire" is NOT up to the employees' manager. Only HR can do this and HR must state on record a valid reason.
Unless the reasons are criminal activity (harassment, as$ault, stealing etc.), bad work performance is Not a valid reason since it's subjective.
Only in the Insurance industry and some others you're Not eligible for rehire if you're Fired for any reason including bad work performance. This policy is absurd and stone age antiquated since No one got hurt or was in danger.
If you're fired because of a layoff/RIF, employees are eligible for rehire.
@aj, all that does not impede being polite, and if the candidate is not a good fit, feedback is always appreciated, after all, it's the best way to improve. Being a good person only takes 5 more minutes than being an a--hole.
I think that managers have a mandate from HR not to reply. I was also amazed that managers I have worked with on many projects don't even dare to reply "thank you for letting me know". I can't find any other reasonable explanation.
@c0 All applicants except the person who fills the role, is notified via email that they are not moving forward. To say otherwise is a lie.
So now your only other complaint if we are being truthful could be timeliness......it's not meeting your standard....That's entitlement. CIti's processes are very slow.....sometimes months long. If you are a lead candidate, the hiring manager or recruiter will respond to you to tell you, hang in there, we have a couple more interviews to wrap up, the manager is on vacation, etc. But if neither are responding to you, you should be able to figure out that you are not at the top of the list. Eventually, the hiring manager will allow the recruiter to decline you.....but managers often don't want to do that until the end of the process because they don't want you asking for feedback of why you weren't selected. Because the answer is........you weren't what they were looking for. No one wants to hear that, and no one wants to say it either. But that's the truth! Sorry you folks cant handle that.
@bc
It's not about entitlement or fragility, it's about professional courtesy.
If a company reaches out to a person who's applied for a job, and shows enough interest in that person where they interview them, then it's the interviewer's/company's responsibility and professional obligation to then get back to the interviewee with their decision about next steps, be they to progress forward with the process, or to end it.
You don't just leave someone hanging, after they've gone through the stress, time, and investment of energy to research your company, and present themselves in the best light possible, by responding to your invitation to interview them.
The least you can do is respond with a simple emailed response such as, "We've decided to proceed with other candidates. Thank you for your time, and best of luck." There's no need to go into further details, and people aren't so fragile that they can't handle rejection when job searching. It's a numbers game when you're applying for a position, and candidates know this. When taken out of the running after an interview, most don't take it personally, and just keep on with their job search until they get an offer they want to accept. All it takes to close the loop is to notify the candidate of a simple yes or no. To leave someone hanging after interviewing is unprofessional, and disrespectful.
Professional courtesy goes along with common courtesy.
Anyone worthwhile as a person already understands the value of, and puts these principles into practice in all aspects of their life.
Seems as though you've yet to learn how to be (and to recognize the value of) being a decent human being.
@aj this is 1950s mentality when you think hiring is based on the best, skilled candidate. You have so much to learn
@bc what a strange response to the OP…
It’s sad people are so fragile and mentally weak that they cannot handle the truth. It’s not mean to be truthful.
Is that what you want when you ask a question like this…..to be lied to?
This is exactly why the recruiter and hiring manager don’t answer you, because people can’t handle the truth. You say you want to know, but clearly you don’t.
The sense of entitlement is unbelievable
The lack of professionalism and basic respect for other humans, combined with complete absence of any shame or interest in improving from being so sub-par, is just another reason why corporate culture (and culture as a whole, worldwide) is circling the drain.
People don't care because they're self-centered, don't put themselves in others' shoes, and opt for what's "easier" (for them). They don't follow The Golden Rule.
Rarely is anyone held accountable, due to rampant corruption and greed, so bad/unprofessional behavior becomes the norm, and snowballing, unchecked.
The downfall of society continues...
@aj Said by someone from the comfort of his/her office while gainfully employed.
Classic example of the hiring manager either:
Didn't know your full background/resume. Saw it and is not interested
Does know your full background, but does not have the spine to tell you No directly.
In any case, if you are interested in a role, it is proper for you to apply to the position for compliance reasons regardless of whether or not you are ultimately selected for next steps. Stop blaming the hiring manager, recruiter, for your lot in life. If you were not selected, you were not competitive. Other candidates have a better CV than you. Sorry, but that is the truth.