Serious question. This is a safe place
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@ca6+1jmvp59r8 this right here is ford’s weakest link. For baseline. Take them all to a school on humane problem-solving.
In the mean time I will abuse the weakest link because it is always good to stick with HR to validate our experiences by saying 1+1=2 without any substance (context aka emotion) so they can “act accordingly” to sabotage my enemies swiftly and let me become a respected made man in the FnF crew. This is how I typically retaliate against my potential enemies, by we-ponizing HR through falsifying reports. In disbelief, the enemy will share their side to HR, perhaps even above the head of their people leader. All to no avail because they’ll show an emotional reaction from sudden employment tangible actions in disbelief that I was able to rely on “it’s true because I said it is true” as facts as primary basis of evidence for HR. Their reaction is now justification for all my previous bad behavior. Past is the past.. let’s look at how they are acting now.. why are they being like that anyway? They should know that cooler heads prevail and we catch more flies with honey… silly rabbit. Now we created a problem for them to get out of instead of focusing on all the things we did to them before that. Tie their motivation, can’t catch two rabbits at the same time.
What do you do when the heart has got you beat? Since the heart doesn’t lie, are you going to act on the facts and retaliate? Or listen to yours.
Someone quickly form a new red team to phish HR because evidently they are prone to being social engineered by those who game the procedure so the house thinks they won. Before it’s too late, preferably. Oh wait.
Don’t forget to say thank you to HR after they retaliate against you.. reinforcing your belief in the system we-ponizing “procedure” as a means to dynamically move goal-posts in order to escape accountability while virtue signaling through “acting on facts”.
Back to basics for you, cadet ( @ ca6+1jmvp59r8 ). Welcome to 2025! 🤦♂️
#LifeAtFord #HrVsEmotionalSafetyDespiteGoingToHrforEmotionalSafety
“When you bring facts to HR, they act.” This is a double entendres with a tautology on the side. They surely do “act”. Both meanings of act, still ring true. Ironically at the same time even. Even for its author’s intended meaning, it still doesn’t give any credit to the intended point they tried to make with it. Perhaps you were too emotional trying to share the truth there. “When you bring feelings, you don’t get a hug”, this one isn’t always true so good job, it’s not tautology… however, it shows cognitive dissonance… because the people going to hr aren’t looking for a hug, or a shoulder to cry on. They are looking for you to look at the root of the issue. Justice IS emotional. Just because you say it isn’t does not make it tautology, merely vacuously invalid. Especially when you have people in HR that aren’t professionals trained to support them. Sounds like you need to study emotional bias and discover whether your approach when receiving facts and evidence (logic) interplay with your emotion… leading you to doing the wrong thing at times where your heart knows it too.
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I’ve been doing a lot of thinking lately.
Yesterday, I stopped thinking.
I started feeling…
Instead of using my head,
I started listening to my heart.
Do you know what my heart told me?
My heart told me that…
From the moment you walked into my life—
I haven’t been the same.
“In fact”, nothing was the same.
From the moment I laid my eyes on you—
I changed.
I was lost with you,
But now I’m found.
Home is where the heart is—
You know what my heart also told me?
Anyone thinking logic and emotion don’t interplay is a damned fool. Truth hurts. That’s why humans lie.
Humans fear what they don’t understand and fail to take the second step before casting judgement.. sometimes this is intentional such as feigning ignorance which is a tactic HR and Speak Up at Ford Motor company have been known to do.
Evidently below the belt here at Ford because time after time they are given chances to do the right thing… all the way— and yet still have not fully committed to becoming honorable champions.
They aren’t creative enough to use intellect and win, I mean fairly, so how can they be inspiration for others to try to do the same? Perhaps they may not have intellect to win by cheating either (evidently so currently).
They my friends… are one of many.
That is not a horse I would personally invest in for our collective future… they would probably spend it on lots of makeup. Instead, I’d bet on Charles Munger agreeing.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it wash the makeup and show its true self.
“In fact”, when the structure isn’t conducive to change, anything you do to try will end up ultimately unfolding for structure requires equilibrium. So “logically”, you’d end up insane. Why? Because talking unqualified professionals like the one i’m educating is like beating a dead horse. Good luck trying to break out of the asylum after a couple attempts. At that point you’ll be writing a swot analysis on the sunk cost fallacy confused why these individuals were given impression management for their role performance when their mask slips 24/7 because they can never “act” the part correctly.
Accountability takes work.
Are you afraid of confronting your feelings when you are confronted with facts?
Are you compromised? Why?
Humans are not that stupid, but the one that made that comment that is in fact HR reacting emotionally— but without the interplay of logic, surely is…
The heart doesn’t lie.
That is what makes it a safe place to call home.
If those with heart don’t take charge, the wolves will gladly come and MF Doom your house down.
“They only act, again the power of incentives, they only act when it gets so bad it starts making them look foolish, or threatening legal liability to them. That’s Munger’s rule.”
https://buffettmungerwisdom.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/mungerspeech_june_95.pdf
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Let’s break down your flawed logic clearly: If someone had a g-n pointed at their head and sought help from authorities watching nearby, would you absurdly redirect them to therapy because they’re understandably emotional? No—you’d respond immediately, addressing the imminent threat with urgency, leveraging your vested authority. By minimizing and dismissing genuine trauma as merely ‘emotional,’ you’re actively enabling a culture of silence, victim-blaming, and unchecked abuse.
Sounds to me like we’ve failed to hire competent HR and Speak Up personnel. Perhaps the ‘human empathy’ and ‘common sense’ parts of the acceptance criteria were mistakenly marked optional on your job description by others like you that are already there.
@ca6+1jmvp59r8 more like ford gets emotional when facts are presented.
I will expose you. You will be exposed. Keep going though. @ford execs — you’re on watch because soldiers usually do what they are told… you gave the green light. You never at any point hit the red light. I’ll hold you accountable for this. I believe in our state doing the right thing. You will be exposed.
Facts = cover up, retaliation - blackmail , sabotage, career defamation, smear campaign, isolation, systematic ostracizing, stalking, war tactics, bullying, indirect threats using sensitive employee information
If you look away, you are an accomplice.
Keep going! Show our state how much they let you all get away with.. it goes up the chain until it all falls down.
Say feelings to my mf face. You can’t even read 60 pages. Ur too STUPID
When you bring facts to HR, they act. When you bring feelings, you don’t get a hug. Maybe that’s the root of the issue—justice isn’t emotional, it’s procedural.
Funny how the original post started with ‘this is a safe place’—that alone suggests the concern was emotion-driven. And emotional issues are best handled by professionals trained to support them—not HR.
Emotional support doesn’t give you justice. Therapy is a way to keep you quiet in a situation where you are a victim. Accountability for bad actors gives you justice. Normally people are fine, it’s usually psychological (warfare) where some need is held for control. Weaken to control is a militaristic approach. It’s easy to blame a victim with ambiguous loss that could be fulfilled. Y’know? We want things self fulfilling because if we give justice, that means justice for others… sounds like more work to me! I’d rather pay to keep them quiet whether they accept it or someone else does to make them quiet, heh. We use these moments as an example. To keep people in check so we can remain unchecked. And by the time we realize the game is chess not checkers and we doomed long term, it’s someone else’s problem and we’ve already got out of it and also got what we wanted in the moment. We keep them weak by capitalizing and taking a key part of their Maslow’s hierarchy of needs to be able to contribute to society far greater. Our state ag (Dana) protects us and if they get caught they can easily just cite government immunity and say the past is the past live in the present, HAHA!
I recently left an environment like that behind and finally found some peace. If you're still struggling, I hope emotional support is being offered.
Model e is a big massive circlej--kIt's not Just Ford Blue or Model e. It's the entire company.
"To note, we do not see antics like you describe on Model e's watch today."
How many people were exploited in Model-E? Especially younger kids with more energy to produce more work? Posed under FCG rotation selection.
How many were suppressed legally in publicly sharing about what Ford did to intimidate and squeeze the most out of them?
how many people were involved in Model-E's coordination to cover it up? How many NDAs were forced? How many people were guilty for turning a blind eye?
Keep lying! Streisand effect in coming!
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I agree with some of your Ford Blue arguments. No surprise Blue is not where Ford's future lies. Model e on the other hand is taking the lead for Ford. To note, we do not see antics like you describe on Model e's watch today.
@tk+1jmvp59r8 Spoken like a true blue worker, hence the nyt exposés on rampant systemic abuses in the Chicago plant and others. The same mentality can be observed with many of the white collar blue stripes, even in the glass house.
@OP the people to avoid are the fervently loyal blue stripes. It’s like church, they will be like the zealots claiming the holy book or some entity on high tells them to mistreat you.
Around 2008 a group of these loyal blue stripes spent 3 weeks during office hours video taping all the non-Ford vehicles at ITEK, WHQ, FMC, Regent Court etc. They ensured they had the license plates in the video and put sad music and commentary with the video. This video was sent to LL5, LL4, LL3 who forwarded to LL6. “Coincidentally” during that same timeframe non-ford vehicles were keyed, tires sprung leaks, parts went missing. Now these loyal blue stripes had absolutely no other work to do (incompetent) and had zero fear (all the lots have cameras). I received a copy of the email and was able to see identifying content creator info in the video along with all the commentary from the leadership chain. I also had a FCG at the time whose mother had loaned her a car until she could afford one. She was in tears as her mother’s car was keyed and somehow security had no footage of the crime. She quit a few months later.
I lost all respect for the leadership. A LL3 at the time in a LL meeting post video said we all know its a crime to vandalize property and then started laughing. 2008 wasn’t the last time things like this happened, it was just the first time I saw Ford leadership for what they are.
Those zealots continued to spend their days walking laps, holding fake meetings with each other (purpose was to gossip and choose targets for persecution) up until the mandatory WFH era. Now they are the zealots preaching RTO, wonder why?
A venomous snake pit is always going to be unsafe.
There were some vile odors from the executive washroom which could be perceived as threatening to any life form.
Well, I was let go in November because "two men don't like you". that's not threatened, that's cut.
Yes absolutely. And once you push back to fight for what is right -- that single action is viewed by management - as corporate su----e.
Never saw or heard of such behavior in Model e.
I retired out of this snake pit. There was so much nepotism in my small group of 120 employees it was sickening. There LL6's that would cover for inept team members that would literally be making out way better than big Ford was.
It was criminal. These managers should have been rooted out and tossed to the curb and relegated to the night shift at a local Mobil Station @ Ford Rd and Telegraph.
The extra 7,000 is the Ford family and friends.
They are untouchable, as well as unproductive.
GM doesn’t have that ingrained problem.
Therein lies a Ford problem: GM builds and sells more vehicles and generates more revenue with only 163,000 global employees.
Clearly, we have at least 7,000 excess employees. Bring in DOGE!
LOL its par for the course at Ford.
I had a LL6 male threaten to get me fired if I didn’t do his work for him. Funny thing he wasn’t even in my reporting structure. And yes he certainly tried to get me fired when I told him to take a hike.
I had a LL6 female whose husband was my LL5 threaten to have her husband fire me if I didn’t help her in her character as----------n scheme against another LL6 female. This after she bragged about how she wanted to get two rival male LL6 fired and her husband told her to just pick one. She did and the selected LL6 was laid off.
Two of many instances. Den of snakes at the leadership level as most did not attain their positions by merit.
Ford has 170,000 employees. I’m sure someone has felt threatened regardless of how many mitigations are in place.