Thread regarding SAS Institute layoffs

Don't be a victum

From an investment standpoint, it's important to recognize that a company’s primary contractual obligation is to compensate you for the hours you work. Beyond that, everything is governed by established HR policies. As an employee, your responsibility is to contribute to the creation of shareholder value, and in return, you receive a paycheck. Emotional ties to teams, products, or services—unless you hold an equity stake—can cloud your view of the company's true financial mechanics.

Every business experiences cycles of ups and downs. While SAS may appear strong in certain areas, like any profit-focused organization, its long-term viability hinges on both revenue growth (the top line) and profitability (the bottom line). When performance falls short on either front, it becomes unsustainable, especially if the company is positioning itself for an IPO or a sale.

From my perspective as an investor, declining revenue and profit inevitably force companies to cut costs. In the case of SAS, where labor represents a major expense, the most straightforward method to improve the bottom line is through reducing headcount.

It’s also worth noting that while it may be tempting to point fingers at leadership, executives are equally focused on preserving shareholder value. They are tasked with navigating these challenges, and it wouldn’t be surprising if many leaders are not fully apprised of the underlying issues—a scenario not uncommon in privately held companies.

The decision to stay with SAS is ultimately yours. However, if you find yourself frequenting forums and voicing concerns, it might be wise to trust your instincts and consider updating your resume and broadening your professional network.

In essence, you can either proactively chart your own course or wait for the company’s strategic restructuring to dictate your future. Based on current market signals and my interactions with insiders, cost reduction measures at SAS appear to be in motion, with potential adjustments to HR costs likely to occur after the next strategic review and before bonus distributions.

This analysis isn’t just about the immediate environment—it’s about preparing for a future where your career aligns with sound financial and strategic principles.

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“Maybe "outside help" refers to outside sales consultants?”

Unlikely if they were described as being brought in to cut costs. Outside sales consultants would have more influence on the revenue side of the ledger than on the cost side.

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Post ID: @3qz+1jk60jsk7

As discussed on this site, the “outside.help” is hired specifically “to cut costs”.

If that’s their mandate, they’ll look at all costs.

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Post ID: @3qd+1jk60jsk7

Maybe "outside help" refers to outside sales consultants?

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Post ID: @3px+1jk60jsk7

Many times I’ve made a typo, and wished that TheLayoff enabled us to edit our posts.

When a company hires “outside help to cut costs”, that always means layoffs.

Management hires outside consultants because 1) they are more objective in determining whom to lay off, and 2) lingering resentment over layoffs is directed at the consultants, not the management.

If you look past the typo, the OP gives excellent advice:



“You can either proactively chart your own course or wait for the company’s strategic restructuring to dictate your future.”

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Post ID: @3pa+1jk60jsk7

The title of the original post is a perfect reflection of the quality of SAS as well as the knowledge and attention to detail of its R&D employees.

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Post ID: @3j1+1jk60jsk7

In the past, all Finance EMEA Accounting Tasks were in the local subsidiaries or summarized by regions. Since October there was a transformation process that all of these Accounting Tasks (General Ledger or RTR, Accounts Payable and Accounts Receivable) moved to an external company which is located in India. First it has started in Europa and Africa. Since January 2025 they had taken also Asia and Australia.
This external company in India is now responsible for whole EMEA and will be controlled by a small management Team in Poland.
In EMEA are Customer Purchase Portals important to get invoices paid. This part moved to a new team which is located in Poland.

From this change are the Regional Finance Controller not affected, anyway due to this change they had get more work with the same staff.

As a suprise the LTC 2 Project was stopped by end of the last year.
This had an effect on the Licensing System and also some Finance Systems updates.

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Post ID: @j0+1jk60jsk7

Add ‘Company Man’ to the list.

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Post ID: @he+1jk60jsk7

“ I suspect this just means that finance work has been moved to staff in India.”

Can anyone confirm that the Accounting team in the US has been or is being disbanded? I’m not at SAS anymore (2021 VRBP) so I can’t check for myself. Thanks.

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@fy+1jk60jsk7

All the children, on-brand and off-brand.

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Post ID: @g1+1jk60jsk7

Want seriously reduce expenses?

Outsource:

  1. HR
  2. HCC - pay as you visit
  3. RFC - pay as you visit
  4. Landscaping
  5. Facilities
  6. Cafes - pay as you visit
  7. Procurement
  8. Risk
  9. Accounting and payroll
  10. Art Department
  11. JMP - sell them a building is that is already vacant. Bldg H is perfect. Move all staff into that building. No shared costs.
  12. Education

23, PSD/Consulting or whatever it is now called.

  1. SSOD or whatever it is now called.

Anything else to add to this list?

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@ev+1jk60jsk7

I suspect this just means that finance work has been moved to staff in India.

The grammar is that of a non-native English speaker. I mean no disrespect. Non-native English speakers communicate in English much better than I (a native-English speaker) will ever be able to communicate in another language.

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Post ID: @fh+1jk60jsk7
Was writing "victum" part of the joke?

Victum? It’s no joke. He’s totally rect ‘um.

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Post ID: @f2+1jk60jsk7

“Below of that since Q4/2024 the Accounting team is leaving SAS.”

I don’t understand. Can you explain please?

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Post ID: @ev+1jk60jsk7

Was writing "victum" part of the joke?

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Post ID: @eh+1jk60jsk7

The "outside help" is for e.g. the Finance Team in India now.
Below of that since Q4/2024 the Accounting team is leaving SAS.

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Post ID: @e0+1jk60jsk7
  1. An outside HR firm would be less close or more likely not at all close to any of the employees who are layoff candidates. Thus easier to cope with in a battle that is becoming increasingly more difficult. #1 More likely true than false.
  2. Existing HR team may not be needed by acquisition organization. #2 More likely true than false.
  3. Who knows whether or not "outside help" is part of a potential acquisition organization. #3 Maybe true maybe false. Gotta go with the gut on this.

Time will prove whether none, some, or all of this is BS.

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@c0+1jk60jsk7

I suspect that HR is the last place that any cuts will occur. The purpose of HR is to prevent a company from being sued. Because of what is coming, it will be 'all hands on deck in HR' to handle all the processing. Unless of course an outside HR firm is included among the outside help. Hmmm...

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Post ID: @c1+1jk60jsk7

"Any bets on how much longer that JMP and the Art Department remain immune to layoffs?"

Immunity ends right after layoffs happen in HR...

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Post ID: @c0+1jk60jsk7

How bout SAS trims some of the expensive executive roles from the company books? You know the ones I'm talking about. Many who just spent a week soaking up the premium food bevs and swag out in Pebble Beach for example. How about we start there?

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Post ID: @by+1jk60jsk7

How many were laid off during 2024?

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Post ID: @bj+1jk60jsk7

Any bets on how much longer that JMP and the Art Department remain immune to layoffs?

I will go first. Best guess is until March 2026

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Post ID: @b7+1jk60jsk7

Wise advice from the OP - and even if it was from ChatGPT or some other AI, it was obviously from a well crafted prompt!

It's wise to take the emotion out of any decision about one's career, but it's also quite hard to do. After all, it's a big part of a person's life. People make lifelong friendships at work. People feel purpose and belonging. And JG crafted a culture that encouraged that emotional attachment by being a Great Place to Work and instilling a sense of pride to work for SAS.

There are obviously a lot of people here who have felt that attachment and sense of belonging toward SAS (myself included). But some of us realized the reasons for that have wained over the years and were proactive enough about their careers, to get out and find better work elsewhere.

Others, for whatever reason, have not and are still there. That's your choice. Some are in denial and I have no sympathy for them. Others perhaps feel a bit trapped by ageism and a challenging job market. I have some sympathy for them, but the writing has been on the wall for a decade now so really it's on you for leaving it too late...or perhaps it isn't too late?

I almost made that mistake (left about 5 years ago in my late 40s). I had been moaning about the decline of SAS for some time, and fortunately my wife pushed me to take control of my career and do something about. It was one of the best decisions of my career. I owe a lot to her.

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Post ID: @b6+1jk60jsk7

Wonder much could be saved if company jet use had to prove itself cost effective and not just an EVP Uber.

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Post ID: @az+1jk60jsk7

Sound advice.

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Post ID: @an+1jk60jsk7

“ Any details on where budget cost will be according to the insider?”

LOL. Not a chance. Low/no information is the operating principle here.

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Post ID: @aj+1jk60jsk7

Any details on where budget cost will be according to the insider?

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Post ID: @ah+1jk60jsk7

@OP+1jk60jsk7 This is sound analysis and excellent advice.



The SAS CEO has said that “outside help” is being hired to “cut costs”. That almost always means a layoff. Your interactions with insiders confirm that warning.

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@OP+1jk60jsk7

What prompt did you feed ChatGPT for that "analysis"?

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Post ID: @a4+1jk60jsk7

Agree with all the above.

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