Thread regarding Boeing Co. layoffs

In all of my years of life, I have never seen anything so asinine as this website. More specifically, this thread.

Our Boeing manager held a Group webex meeting this morning. Everyone in the group is still working remotely. Our manager who earned their mail-order degree in business wanted to take a vote on how many people wanted to return to the office to work verse the number of people who wanted to continue to work Remotely from their homes. Mail order degree manager said they would go down the list of names of people in the group and asked everyone to voice their vote Yes or No. So we have two Level 1 Skid marks in our group and mail order degree manager called on them first. Both skid marks said they missed each other and voted Yes to return to work in the office. The 12 other people in the group all voted No - wanting to continue to work Remotely from home. So mail order degree manager said they tallied up the vote and stated the Yes's to return to the Office to work won. So everyone told mail order degree manager they were wrong and everyone now has solid proof that mail order degree manager is also math challenged. We all said let the two Level 1 skid marks return to work in the office and everyone else should be allowed to continue to work remotely from their homes.

Banggers and Mash

Let's rap about it

If you're still working for Boeing, just do what I did. Focus on taking as much money as you can from them, then retire.

Four Level 1 Skid Marks have joined our group since the start of this year. The last skid mark joined our group the second week of February. This skid mark told our Boeing Libral Arts degree manager this week during group meeting they are going to start applying to open Boeing manager job reqs. The Skid mark told the Libral Arts degree Manager they want manager to write letter of recommendation that Skid mark will attach to their application for open Boeing management reqs they apply to. Skid mark was not aware of the three levels of Boeing management, and when someone asked Skid mark what management level job req they wanted to apply to, Skid mark responded saying they were currently looking at L level manager jobs to apply to. So some Boeing people working in groups without a current manager or one about to leave may end up getting our Level 1 Skid mark as their new manager if the lucky stars come in for Skid mark.

That depends on what your definition of what their job is supposed to be

In which alternate reality is SPEEA actually doing its stated job?

Good luck with your new job pal! Get ready to produce some work, SPEEA won’t cover your butt over there!

I’m not a manager, project manager or otherwise. I crunch numbers and write simulation code. I was offered a management position a few years back and declined. I have no interest in babysitting this weeks social justice hire. The pay increase was rounding error anyway. I know my lane.

I don’t tend to run out in the street and punch old ladies for no reason. But if they try to rob me....

This is an anonymous message board so no, I’m not concerned with optics. Just providing context. We were piling on “MBA skid marks” then along comes Mr. Woke with his “id–t white snowflakes” remark and unprovoked brought up incarcerated whites. It’s called self defense vs a premeditated attack. Of course I don’t expect the SJW woke mob to understand the difference or even care if there’s some free flat screens on the line.

And yes, I’m punching my ticket out. Have accepted an offer from a vendor for $20K more in pay, better benefits and profit sharing. I’ll have weekly meetings with the CEO. I’m also moving to sunshine and an area without autonomous zones.

You are probably another SPEEA protegé that won’t survive anywhere else just like 98% of Boeing project managers that complain about all the Level 1 and 2s.

You worried about optics now? What you need to do is leave Boeing and find a company that hires people based on their qualifications and not diversity.

If this site is going to censor so heavily they should at least remove everything. It looks like I just came in and started bashing. Everything I typed was a retort/counter argument to the other guy who started in talking about “snowflake white id–ts” and incarcerated whites. Super out of context now.

Calhoun and other execs do as they are told, right now diversity is a hot topic and represents good PR so they do it. This is especially true now that Boeing has been on hot water for a long time because of the MAX fiasco, 787 issues and 777x delays.

I have absolutely no issues with Boeing hiring black people. I have issues with place hiring because of skin color either way. Yet it came right out of Calhoun’s mouth a few months back. I also know for a fact an executive headhunter was told to recruit only women for leadership positions. How is that not illegal? I believe Boeing even boasted about it.

Dude if you are so mad at Boeing for hiring black people just resign and go somewhere else! After all you are a smart white dude with a STEM degree and you can get hired anywhere right?

There was a supplier in Mukilteo who used to hire white people, apply there

Flash news, companies have been hiring whites all over since forever.

Well when you’re white and the CEO announces that he’s going to specifically push to hire blacks, it makes it more difficult.

Now imagine if Calhoun announces that he’s going to push to hire 20% more white people in 2021

Poor little in-laws can’t get an interview? Maybe they are not qualified, who knows! But hey they must be smart and can get a job anywhere else right?

Plenty. But our special interest group in question is incarcerated at 7 times the rate of their white counterparts. Let me guess, it’s the system’s fault and not that convenience store they boosted? What are we up to now? Like 80% being born to single mothers? All that diversity and inclusion has really helped!

Here’s a dirty little secret. White people really don’t give a sh– what color you are. I don’t care if you’re a purple transgender Martian as long as you can hold your own in the engineering lab. Or rather we didn’t. Now that it’s all being forced down our throats were forced to have an opinion. It just doesn’t pass the smell test that immutable characteristics are somehow now more important than skill. Especially when you have planes and engines falling out or the sky. Call me when the NTSB blames lack of diversity as the cause of an accident.

I have sat in an engineering department 4’ away from two women of color for the past decade. No engineering degree, they just sort of go moved to us through a series of reorgs. Two of the nicest people you will ever meet. Zero qualifications for the job. If you held a gun to my head I still couldn’t name one single thing they have done in a decade.

I am, right now, training a fairly recent new hire. My boss was livid that we had to hire him. We actually needed a qualified person because we are short staffed. But nope, the powers that be forced us to hire him. He has an undergraduate degree in business administration and has been tossed into an engineering department to meet a quota with zero chance of success. My wife, who is also an engineer gets infuriated listening to me on the phone for hours trying to get the most basic concepts across to him. She’s furious because her brothers are far far far more qualified but can’t get an interview.

Can you put this in bullet points and email it to me. Thanks!

@7yos Ha that’s pretty funny. “How do you practice diversity?” What the hell kind of question is that for an engineering job.

It’s all a front, It’s all a scam, It’s all a lie, It’s all of Boeing…
We are no longer an engineering company.
We are no longer Boeing.

The type of interviews Boeing Managers use to fill jobs that they can't get away with handing the job to their buddies are called Structured Interviews. Structured interviews are the absolute worst way to interview someone. I bet some Boeing dumba$$ Bean counter with a MBA dreamed this type of interview up. Early this week, I did one of these structured interviews for a Boeing job I had applied to. The id–t Boeing manager who called me last week asking me if I was willing to do a phone interview had another useless Boeing manager on the phone the second time they called me back to conduct the phone interview. I could tell right from the beginning neither of these Boeing managers held an engineering degree. They asked me no critical questions regarding the ability to do the job and and having the background and experience. The first question id–t Boeing manager number one asked was to tell how I practice diversity. I told them in my past engineering jobs at Boeing I had no time to waste in order to get my work done so I did not do much if any chit-chat with people who I was not working with directly. The second question was asked by id–t Boeing manager number two. It was a bs question because this Boeing manager id–t was trying to play themself off as some kind of a Social Justice Warrior. After I gave my answer to the stupid question I told both id–t managers I was ending the interview due to their wasting my time and I was going to begin applying to Engineering jobs outside of Boeing.

It seems that the managers who do have an engineering degree lack the passion for engineering. They seem to be passionate about business and politics. Sometimes I wonder whether they were not sure about what they wanted to do in life or did they plan this out from the beginning to be a boss of engineers and control them.

It was a mistake ending Manager reviews. If a Boeing manager can rate a subordinate, then Boeing employees should have the opptunity to rate the Managers.

Boeing needs to bring back the 180 Reviews, where employees get to rate their Boeing manager. There are many, many poor Managers at Boeing. Based on Employee reviews, a list can be made of all the poor Boeing Managers who should then be layed-off. The type of Boeing managers who will more than likely end up on the lay off list are MBA's and Boeing Managers who do not have a Engineering degree. The later is where my group's Boeing manager falls in. Our Boeing Structures manager has a Bachelor of Arts degree to be a Librarian. Why are managers without engineering degrees even made a Boeing manager in the first place, this is just plain STUPID.

Grandpas are mad that Boeing is not the Seattle company it was during the old days.

I guess none of the old guys were ever level ones (ha). Maybe the young person was made a lead because it was recognized they had enthusiasm, skills, and ability. I am guessing the old guys are just angry because they are reflecting on their own failures and feeling inadequate.

An Integrator is essentially a Program Manager who knows nothing about designing and building a part. His/her job is to pasture the supplier and make sure they deliver the part and deliver all the paperwork required for the Cert Plan “engineers” to certify the part. This is pretty much what every Boeing “engineer” is nowadays, this is part of the reason why Boeing has lost so much technical knowledge.

The Integrator job at Boeing is a absolute waste of time. The Group I work in has one, and the person is, wait for it a McD person. They try to play themselves off as some sort of a senior Leader. The person is never prepared for any meetings, so ninty percent of the meeting is wasted to bring the Integrator up to speed. So more meetings get scheduled and the cycle continues and everyone waiting on the Integrator falls further behind.

What does a Integrator do at Boeing? Never have heard of this job title.

I am glad to be working remotely because Boeing office politics s—. Hope never to be called back on-site to work. In our group, we have a poor Manager which is no surprise. All manager does is sign ETS each week and sends out emails nobody bothers to read. Not sure about Lead since I never have had to talk to them. Before COVID-19, three Level 1Turds joined the group. The t–ds have not gotten along with each other from the very beginning and constantly talk behind each other's back. It's like having to deal with unruly children. Used to hear the t–ds regularly complaining about their Level and threatening to quit Boeing but all three T–ds are still at Boeing and unfortunately still in our group. I tune the three T–ds out and make it a habit not to talk to them. I stay to myself and do my job and deal with my internal Boeing customers myself.

Many employees at Boeing are just program managers and “Integrators” between the supply chain and factory employees. Most of them know nothing about designing their parts, that’s the b—s— mentality that the McDonell Douglas people brought in.

It no longer takes any level of skill to be a “lead”.
I had leads that were not even the same job code as me.
All that is required is that the boss likes you.
Employees are not being trained properly by their leads because they dont know jack.
But hey the managers have someone to chat with.

These grandpas will soon have skid marks on their underwear since they won’t be able to wipe their own a–. They have been using maybe 10-15 neurons over the past 40 years at work and thanks to SPEEA they are R1s so they don’t get laid off

Can you please stop using the term “skid mark”? It is very offensive. I’m being completely serious.

One GREAT benefit of being out of the office and working Remotely, is not having to hear a bunch of Level 1 and Level 2 Skid Marks repeatably use the word "Like" which is usually every other word that comes out of their mouths. I am still shocked that most of the young people you interact with at Boeing have not learned how to communicate with people.

I'd report the Level 1/2 Skid Marks caught doing their MBA dergee home work during work hours to their Manager because Skid Marks deserve a CAM for that kind of behavior.

Grandpas complaining everywhere, all they want is to keep earning their big salaries, grow their pensions and work 20 hrs a week while enjoying SPEEA protection. Maybe their pensions will be worthless once Boeing goes bankrupt!