Salary or title?
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Vultures in non-US locations are feeding off loss of positions in USA. They are demanding promotions and salary hikes.
@6szr+1n80jxq3 That’s good stuff. Any company is always on the prowl for what will save their owners/VPs and their stock price (if applicable). As we saw with Sabre, they mortgaged their entire existence by getting rid of market priced US labor and replacing it with a revolving door in developing countries.
No matter how much I enjoy a job, I’ll never NOT entertain a chance to talk with another company that’s equal or better than where I am. This economy is in shambles and employers only care about their board and their bonuses at the end of the day. Never, ever feel bad about looking out for yourself and your family.
The thing is… a new job title without a pay rise can only be leveraged at the next opportunity. At the existing company, the benefit of a promotion is the increased salary band of the job code.
So the right thing to do if offered a promotion without a raise is to consider your willingness to seek employment elsewhere. If you accept the promotion with no raise, it will hurt your money opportunities at the current company because you’re now on the low-end of the pay spectrum for your position, and possibly will remain that way for future promotions as well.
If you commit yourself to leaving then it can be the right decision because you can get the pay increase at the promoter level at the next company.
@2ruo+1n80jxq3 I agree with you 100%. The easiest analogy is if you are a manager and want to be a director. If you’re hired on somewhere making the same pay with a new title, you’ll have demonstrable working experience as a director and will get you considered for the positions you want in the future.
It’s short-term sacrifice (if even that) in exchange for way better chances to achieve your long-term goal.
A promotion provides additional respect, authority, responsibility, autonomy, control, challenge, excitement, and visibility but that also comes with additional risk because when you sc--w up it causes more damage and it is more obvious to more important people.
A raise is just more money to do the same old thing you are already doing.
Which you choose depends on your personality. Some are leaders and some are followers. Leaders would always choose the promotion. Followers would usually choose the raise.
You can call me Al, as Paul Simon sang. Job title is irrelevent unless its matched by an appropriate salary. Should you take a higher level title without an increase, No
A contract would beat both
I would not take a promotion without a raise unless I was already do the "extra" work. It's basically giving the company more of your time and efforts without the pay.
If you’re making the same or similar money and have a better title on your resume, why not take the job?
Obviously, it’s ideal to make more money. But, that title on a resume will help.
interesting question. i expect most people would prefer to have a bigger salary than a fancy title. after all, a title is just words and you can't put food on the table and a roof over your head with a title, no matter how fancy it is.
the value of a title, of course, is intangible. it is recognition of your worth and confers upon you a certain gravitas. more importantly, it conveys to those around you (as well as to outsiders) the esteem given you within the organization. and therein lies the risks that an organization runs when they give you a title without a corresponding pay hike - not only does the promotion feel hollow, you're more desirable to external recruiters
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Basically, I'm wondering if you'd take a promotion without a raise.