VMware CEO Raghu Raghuram has reaffirmed the company's commitment to its Tanzu portfolio, despite some uncertainty about the future of the cloud-native application platform among customers and industry observers.
https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366554792/VMware-reaffirms-commitment-to-Tanzu
Pivotal was a success!!!!
God bless the pivots, god bless each and every one of them to grace is with their presence and to shower us with their excesses of their success.
That’s exactly what happened.
You as well? Do tell.
My mom liked it, so maybe now I feel a little bit more positive about their cult.
Words fail me. You have to be the most blind and stupid pivot of them all!
Looks like you've hit your cognitive limit, which is why you resort to child like tactics of calling people names. You stay classy.
Spot on!
It must be some non-Pivot’s fault that Pivotal wasn’t the next Amazon, because the Pivot ideology is definitely not to blame.
It’s hard to watch people behave in such irrational ways, worse when you can’t avoid it at work.
Pivotal failed as a company.
That is a basic fact.
Words fail me. You have to be the most blind and stupid pivot of them all!
Congrats for that, you get a medal and a gong.
Agile's promise wanes,
Growth claimed, yet failure remains,
Echoes of false gains.
Wow, this thread is starting to read like the movie Mean Girls.
Key to understanding the Pivots is to realize their ideology cannot fail, it can only be failed.
The 1920s assumption was based on the fact that you don't understand the point of labs and the kind of services needed to grow a subscription business based around a complex technology.
Services execution speed != success.
Success == an enabled customer who can be successful without services.
it was reacquired by the mother ship because the stock was about to plummet.
Nice reading from your crystal ball there. The stock was hovering around $9-10 for a few months after a announcement for the next FY growth being 5% lower than markets expected. Yes Covid could have caused a liquidity problem and belt tightening, but no one knew that in 2019.
The market determined that pivotal was a failed company
Nope. The market wobbled after a company in the growth phase that high balled it's IPO lowered its projections for the next FY by 5%. If the market determined that Pivotal was a failed company the stock would have cratered, not halved. Pivotal's main stock holder (who was struggling with a large debt mountain and a recent US tax law change which treated debt less favourably) chose to cash out by having one of his other majority owned companies buy Pivotal.
If it didn’t happen already in four years with billions of dollars invested, it won’t.
I'd really like to get one of your crystal ba--s. Where did you buy if from? You seem to know that Tanzu hasn't grown (it has), how much VMware has invested and what will happen in the future.
Scooby Let's See Who This Really Is?.... Pat Gelsinger? I heard that you didn't like Rob Mee, but these sour grapes really run deep.
Cloud native is such BS
I’m more a fan of supercloud!
Faster than a speeding CRD, More powerful than a monolithic app! Able to leap tall clouds at a single bound!
It’s SUPERCLOUD!
Cloud native is PaaS, written natively in the language of the individual cloud.
You really need to stop commenting about things you don't understand. I'd start by googling "cloud native definition". There is no such thing as a language of an individual cloud.
What's will ask the arm chair commentators that have no idea about what they're commenting on?
Tanzu and Pivotal are misfits that just do not fit at VMware.
Exactly. Let them find VC funding and become the next Amazon if they are so sure of themselves. Given the confident statements here by the pivots, that should be a cake walk.
Tanzu and Pivotal are misfits that just do not fit at VMware. Pawns of Maritz and Dell. And no, containers are not cloud native. What malarkey. They are an encapsulation of legavy Linux (or today Windows) applications package in a way to make them cloud portable. Or run on-prem for that matter. Cloud native is PaaS, written natively in the language of the individual cloud. Not legacy Linux apps. Stop with the marketing fraud and maybe Pivotal and Tanzu will do better.
Hock and Raghu are not fool who are in CEO position and still are betting on tanzu.
Yes. Magoo are fool
As long as we have J. Burgin in a leadership role, Tanzu will be all right.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimcollins/2019/06/05/pivotal-softwares-implosion-is-a-warning-for-holders-of-highly-valued-tech-stocks/amp/
This must be fake news for the cult members.
Pivotal is the next Apple! Just wait and see!!
Tanzu will be given a chance to grow
If it didn’t happen already in four years with billions of dollars invested, it won’t.
At best if Hock gets rid of all the current leaders and purges the cult, maybe a product that customers want will emerge.
Expecting different result with the same people in charge is fantasy land.
Amazon didn't turn a profit for 9 years and Tesla 17 years, as both were chasing growth.
Comparing apples and oranges here, oh my.
Yea, pivotal was the next Amazon… just seeing that text should make you realize how far from reality you are.
Here is the reality check
The market determined that pivotal was a failed company and mom and dad had to bail it out.
The market determined that Bezos had the right strategy to reinvest the huge profits from the most successful parts of its business into new businesses.
Go back to ba----g your gongs.
who I guess believe in the snake oil of project/program management, like everything is still a 1920's production line.
Who said that? Just another bad assumption by the pivots.
Pivotal delivered exponential growth, through experimentation and iteration.
Please stop, I can’t take it, I’m laughing too hard.
“Exponential growth”…
Was it also successful? it was reacquired by the mother ship because the stock was about to plummet. Maybe downward exponential growth?
To paraphrase the cult leader on the earning call.
“We have such shït results because we live in a complex technological landscape”
Go CLAP on a mountain and keep telling yourself sweet little lies.
Exponential growth…
GONG!
Sour grapes. This stuff really is living rent free in your head
Hock doesn't care about deep implementation detail, just what delivers the bottom line. Pivotal delivered exponential growth, through experimentation and iteration. Whilst also making enemies of folks like yourself, who I guess believe in the snake oil of project/program management, like everything is still a 1920's production line.
It's looking like Tanzu will be given a chance to grow. Let's see how that pans out and give up on the playground insults.
You clearly don’t understand their value proposition, nor have you seen the results it has created in organisations that have partnered with them. It’s not for everyone - there are organisations who make ideal partners, and sometimes the wrong ones make it into the mix. But when you have the right ingredients, the result is pretty remarkable. Speak to any of those customers and they would laugh at the 3x shittier results you speak of.
Not everyone joined the cult willingly, some were in other companies as part of the zoo that became pivotal. The cult infected some of those teams to a greater extent than others.
No matter, their shenanigans will easily be weeded out and their so called bespoke consulting approach that uses 3x more people at 5x the cost and delivers 3x shittier results will be shutdown. Hock Tan can easily withstand the agile reality distortion field.
Lots of sour grapes on here.
If you join a company and it's not a culture fit you only have yourself to blame, for not doing more research before taking the job. I know people who have had short stints at Amazon and left because they didn't like the culture. It happens all over the place and it's just a fact of life.
Joining Pivotal/Tanzu and complaining about Agile/XP. C'mon!
For years, all I have ever heard is that Pivotal --> Tanzu has never made money (independently, at Dell, or at VMware), so while the Tanzu BU may get a 3-6 stay of execution, I would place bets it looks significantly different a year from now.
Amazon didn't turn a profit for 9 years and Tesla 17 years, as both were chasing growth. If you want to grow you hire and build ahead of demand, to get there before your competitors.
https://www.approve.com/time-to-profit/
Agreed that BC will probably want to drive profits + growth, so dynamics will likely change.
Reading these posts, I remember just how awful it was to be a new hire at Tanzu. If you were not a Pivotal original, you weren't going to last in that group. The post about clapping, and hitting a d-mb gong in meetings is true. They live in the horrible world of Agile. If you don't want to pair, they call you a silo -- like that's a swear word or something. They argue about doing things the Pivotal way and they work at VMware. They told me they were the best of the best. You know, really bright people (my manager's words). They were not inclusive (like you're supposed to be at VMware), and were not bright people (my words). They say they struggled with integrating at VMware. Well, maybe you won't have to struggle much longer. Boo-hoo you.
Hock Tan only cares about each business unit achieving a requisite profit margin and is quite transparent about that (much better than VMware). For years, all I have ever heard is that Pivotal --> Tanzu has never made money (independently, at Dell, or at VMware), so while the Tanzu BU may get a 3-6 stay of execution, I would place bets it looks significantly different a year from now.
This isn't a playground and you're not a child
Tell that to the pivots. In case you don’t know, they CLAP at the end of their group meetings, bang gongs and do other childlike /cult behaviors.
their process su-ks and so do the majority of them
CLAP!
This isn't a playground and you're not a child
It was never “integrated” when all the acquired companies were at VMware under Maritz, nor when at pivotal, and not now at VMware again.
It has been a shít show since day one and has remained that way.
Let us not forget that Pivotal started at VMware as a collaboration between VMware and (then VMW majority owner) EMC. It was spun off because it didn't make sense in VMware's portfolio and was a drain on cash flow. Until MD needed some more $$$$ so he forced VMware to buy out Dell's position.
Looking back, I can see how they have been bounced around so it doesn't surprise me that they resisted integration.
For those that want my background, I have never worked with the Pivotal team but I've been a dev at VMware for 15+ years and I've paid attention to what goes on.
Nah, their process su-ks and so do the majority of them. Just a basic fact of life. I’ve had the bad luck of having to work with them on multiple occasions.
CLAP!
For those who like to dump on the Pivotal folks. Sure, there are good and bad, and be honest with yourselves, it applies to all teams and BUs across VMware, even those that have no one from Pivotal. Part of their resistance is because they got dumped on before they even got into VMware.
A large number of 'VMware' folks never gave them a chance, publicly dumped on them etc the moment the acquisition was announced. So why would they feel welcome? Why wouldn't they try to retain their identity if those around them are hostile before even Day 1? Even during the 'welcome' party / event in early Jan 2020 internal comms and sites like this were going at them.
And importantly leadership on both sides failed. Failed to work out how to get people, teams and products integrated etc. Every re-org left some scratching their heads as to why and how. Failed to provide a smooth transition. Failed to communicate clearly etc.
There is plenty of blame to go around.
Why say anything about Tanzu if your plan was just to axe it?
Magoo’s word isn’t worth the dirty t shirt he wears every day. He is a dead man walking in Broadcom.
And btw, our Tanzu k8s story could not possibly be worse. Oh, maybe if we called it Tanzu Instant Leprosy it would be worse.
"They never assimilated into VMware"
And I don't think they will be. All indications are that they will operate as a separate BU going forward, and responsible for their own profit/loss.
I don't hate Pivotal-Tanzu, and I don't wish you get laid off. I just think you're all a group of entitled, spoiled, inadequate people who've enjoyed the VMware gravy train long enough. This is a true statement: Pivotal people ruined VMware Tanzu for everyone, including the exceptionally smart Heptio engineers who had to deal with their mediocrity. The only people who think Pivotal-Tanzu is great is Pivotal.