Hot off the Press!!!
These cuts include INVOLUNTARY LAYOFFS.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-considers-potential-10-cut-to-workforce-11586485509
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During the Spanish Flu and at the end of WWI, Boeing faced a similar situation. A health crisis and an almost complete reduction in demand for both commercial and military aircraft.
Boeing did not take taxpayer money, Boeing paid employees out of his own savings to make sure the talent stayed for the eventual turn around.
In contrast, today, Boeing has its hand out to the government (although they had to hire a consultant to waste more money to decide if they should take money) and instead of keeping talent around, there are buyouts and most likely a 10% layoff (most of us know that is just the beginning)
Oh how times have changed. The shareholder is more important than the tool holder. But then again, Boeing was a private company then, beholden to no one except themselves.
@3akm+14pfwG7l — Managers
If we could just get around them we could be faster.
We all know how to build Airplanes, they keep giving us build plans for each
Line number this is absurd, I’ve had the same build plan in my toolbox for
20 years there all the same, No Bid Deal, different name same plane.
They just like to think their important — Managers
https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-us-navy-p8-poseidon-surveillance-plane-details-photos-torpedos-2020-4
Business Insider
Sponsored by Boeing
The managers are expendable, they should be the first to go. We will achieve more without them constantly inserting themselves in our business and mucking up production
Restart of Limited Operations:
https://www.stripes.com/news/us/boeing-to-restart-limited-local-work-on-jets-1.625714
SEATTLE — Boeing told employees Friday afternoon that "a safe and
orderly restart of limited operations" will begin at a few Washington state
sites as early as Monday.
Out of about 30,000 employees idled by the shutdown,
Boeing will recall just about 2,500 employees for this work,
The Seattle Times reported. The company said it will provide the workers
with personal protective equipment and enforce social distancing measures.
The news comes only five days after Boeing announced that its shutdown
in the local plants to contain the spread of COVID-19 would be extended
indefinitely.
Those called back will be deployed at company defense programs
including the Navy's P-8 anti-submarine plane built in Renton and the
Air Force KC-46 tanker built in Everett — as well as maintenance operations
at Moses Lake in support of the grounded 737 MAXs stored there.
In its message to employees, Boeing said that some other "essential labs
and support teams will also resume to support critical customer needs."
Before the initial two-week shutdown that took effect March 25,
Boeing had come under criticism from some employees concerned by
the growing number of co-workers who'd tested positive for the disease
and by the death of one of them.
Jon Holden, president of the International Association of Machinists union
District 751, said the restart "certainly is positive as long as Boeing can
provide a safe workplace for us the union management
We look forward to holding court again and meeting with our Dues-Cattle
If our members have any questions or concerns we will be sure to pass
them along
What’s the divorce rate and bankruptcy rate going to be for Boeing management!
Betting all the dumb a– management are thinking about the payments on that car and truck about now!
Hahaha Boeing 101 is in play
Captain Jack Sparrow > Quotable Quote
“Crazy people don't know they're crazy. I know I'm crazy
therefore I'm not crazy
isn't that crazy?”
was that an epileptic seizure @2ipr ????????????????
Get this a inside manager says, it’s a game to see how people they can get back, just to get some numbers to keep their jobs, has nothing todo with trying to get the system working again.
Does anyone notice anything strange with the numbers game?
https://www.covid-19canada.com/
COVID door-to-door user guide
https://www.nebraskamed.com/for-providers/covid19/door-to-door-user-guide
How do I take off (dof) my PPE?
https://www.nebraskamed.com/for-providers/covid19/door-to-door-user-guide/how-to-take-off-my-ppe
Will they go to far?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWGfuyBoNNA
Yeah stewards get to work. Useless. Union still collects dues.. worthless.. screw them all
F J Holden
Jon Holden, president of IAM 751, said the restart is positive, as a prolonged
shutdown would adversely affect the lavish lifestyle we have come to expect
from our union members
“called back next week” @1dox Oh good
My lungs are filling up with gunk
I can feel this Covid funk
I must get back to work and spread this junk
This Covid funk
Yes m’am
I heard that anyone with less than 5 years is getting laid off.
@1sch: Who said that people come back next week will get paid overtime and vac for every hour work?
Correction
People in the click will be considered along with the cream of the crop.
Only the cream of the crop will be called back next week.
Some are going back next week, it’s like double time, hour of vacation for every hour worked not bad right
This is the reality Boeing has to make regardless of any money the Goverment gives, this is Not a handout but a bandaid to figure out how to stream supply and demand and the supply chain in sync to the market needs and as you see and read there are thousands of parked aircraft and no one is really flying except cargo. This is going to take more than a cure of covid but a cycle of time and probably 2-3 years if not longer to get back prior to the Malfuction of the 737 program. They need cash and they need that to launch R&D on the next best replacement of a 737 more likely as larger planes will decline in the market needs. layoffs will go back 7-10 years in over loaded job numbers and thats the worker bees that do hands on in the factory like grade 4, inspection jobs 6,7, 8 for example and lots of grade 3s which were made 4s in the wireshop.
the new guy on the block has to trim the WASTE and Boeing invented that term over the years and they need to go back in time before the Douglas and the 787 battery issue and 737 engineering mistake also the lack of leadership that micro the c-ap out this place to stupidty. Good luck to those effected and i hope Boeing gets it together sooner than latter and we all can go back to the norm.
If you’re job code is in high demand there will be less layoffs. After 911 I bumped grade 8 to grade 4 sheet metal. The grade 8 jobs got hit upto 16 or 17 years. In sheet metal at that time I had around 15 years and I wasn’t close to being laid off. So it is not exactly every code back 5- years or whatever. I hope that helps. I’m going for the Vlo if there is any benefit. Hope everyone that wants gets to stay. Good luck everyone
They are really going 10-15% of the 160K employees but the focus will be on BCA. Therefore out of the PNW 60K employees you can bet between 25K and 15K reduction is coming. They just don't want to freak everyone out.
That is the correct answer @1jrw
- It is the Only Answer People
Let’s hope they understand it and quit asking
If not maybe a YouTube video will help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuon0HtmVoM
Usually hardest hits are grade 3s and 4s. The VLO is contractual based and has been covered a couple times by the union. It offers similar benefits of an involuntary layoff only difference is the VLO you basically wave your rights (lose seniority etc) One week of pay for every year of service. Most IVLO will get extended UI Benefits as well as a form of medical usually COBRA. Just be sure to file with the union if you wish to return to work immediately. If you file, the company offers you a job and you turn it down... You give up all rights and go to the back of the line. Good luck be safe
Five years of seniority and under are screwed but at least Dennis got his 62 million
Layoffs do work within job codes, but seniority plays a big part of it.Boeing doesn't care what grade someone is, or how much experience etc., all that matters to them is they get their numbers.This keeps getting covered, on various other threads over & over. New hires (anyone under 5 yrs probably) will be getting the boot, no matter the job code.Expect lots of bumping to happen, new faces replacing new faces.
To the lifer below me: do layoffs work as a whole, or within job codes? Like machinist specific: would a grade 3 with 5 years of experience be kept over a grade 6 with 2 years?
As a lifer at Boeing I find your assessment helpful and realistic. Probably going back 5 years or so when all said and done. Anybody know what the vlo will offer? Yes?
@avj It's never going to be the right time to retire from a financial perspective. Anyone can afford retirement if they adjust their budget. No excuse to stay in a job that doesn't work for you, in a toxic workplace and dying business environment. The good market is still good too, you can get paid out for years of service while collecting another paycheck. VLO is a no brainer.
Every single long time employee that I have spoken with that are eligible to retire and/or take the VLO have told they CANNOT afford to retire now, because of the market ravaging their VIPs so bad. I don't think as many are going to go as people wish, simply because the retirement age are staying put. Again, we know what that means....
Downvote all you want, this is reality & layoffs ARE coming.It's no one's fault, other than the BoD & the Execs, but it's too late now.It is what it is. I'm guessing anyone under 5 yrs to start with, maybe going up to 10 yrs.....anything after that, turn out the lights.
50% cut in the end. Cheap jet fuel, no reason to buy new planes. Delta's been doing this for years now.
I never got a happy meal when I was a kid :(
BCA isn't going anywhere. It might get gutted with layoffs and massive budget cuts but Boeing will be pumping out planes a year from now.
BCA and BGS are done.. No hope. Maybe it's time to adjust to our new reality - Duopoly by Airbus and Comac
Last person leaving please turn off the lights!
Voluntary layoffs are sort of politically correct... so they can happen. Temporary shutdowns are ok too...
- Even maybe a layoff of 10% or less (based on the rescue package rules) though the reps from wa and sc will fight that...
So the boss man will need to make a call soon... will he take the $$$... or will he go it alone like Ford did in 2008/2009?
If he takes the $$$ then many of us (but not all) may be ok and over the long haul attrition and VLOs will reduce the ranks.
If he does not take the $$$ then BCA and BGS folks are screwed... layoff city...
BDS keep on smiling... there's still lots of Government cash for war and space!
Let's hope the layoff 10% rumors are just to put pressure on the Feds to give us cash without requiring equity.