Why dont they bring back the VCP or some other hybrid of VCP/CoC and let us go?
I am only staying for the health insurance but im not doing a lot to earn it
Its not entirely my fault but my boss is pretty ineffective and does not allocate me any useful work to do. Should i report him to HR? - Hey AG do you want me to get your a– fired?
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Oxy and Oxy exec defenders are hilarious. I haven't really done any work that I didn't want to do since the acquisition was announced. My new Oxy management chain is so worthless and brain dead, I don't have to do anything complex or difficult to meet their deliverable requirements. I end up spending most of my time working on side projects keeping my technical skills up to date. That work may never see the light of day, but they're at least challenging and rewarding projects to me, unlike the basic and mindless tasks assigned to me. I can get all the work done that Oxy asks me to do in about 5 hours a week. My LAPC managers were so much more capable and competent than my new chain of command. How in the world is this company making any money? Oh right, we're not. Oh well, I enjoy the work I'm doing, and the paychecks are still cashing.
Layoffs for cause require some backup if they want to make it stick in a lawsuit. They should offer just enough severance to make people go away and sign the release saying that they won’t sue.
When are the personnel cuts going to start?
Are they just going to let people go for cause?
That saves a bunch of money for Warren and Carl
Shareholders are of no consideration LOXY sell whatever stock you have now
@2pns+174RpTsQ Actually the reason that ship is sinking has little to do with the employees, and more to do with Those in power at Oxy. The current EC and all the elected VPs have made Oxy into a clinical organization, empowering those who thrive in a saturated, redundant organization and suppressing any voice of reason, innovation and individuality. The Oxy pre-2016 is definitely not the same Oxy it is today. The EC made sure of that by shedding all those whole made it great and replacing them with inexperienced personnel. No individual contributor can change the course of Oxy, only the EC can do that. And right now EC is looking to shed more people through Exxon-style firings. At least Exxon is transparent about it.
The apparent current shape of the company and current focus are an insult to those who built the company up from the last low point in the late 1990s to a few years before the acquisition.
Its obvious that there is a lot of fat still to trim in Oxy
Also a lot of zero value work being done just to keep up the appearance that we are all actively employed adding value and making Oxy a stronger company - Crock of sh– and they can believe whatever they want but this ship is sinking not because of a hole in the hull, its sinking because the crew are too busy looking after their own self interests instead of maintaining the pumps
Oxy is dead and on life support - do the decent thing and switch the machine off please
Apparently it takes a team of 5 to handle communications/employee engagement...at a time when there’s no employee activities and little to no communications. Seriously?! There are technical teams working leaner than that!
We have been in this toxic culture for a long time. When the oil price is good, it is not that obvious. At this down turn , it just make everything desperate.
Why are there still so many people at Oxy? The key question is whether all of the work is necessary to keep the assets going and planning for sale of whatever non-core and core assets they plan on selling. Forget about work that doesn’t impact the bottom line now.
Someone needs to get in charge of this place and it’s out of control spending, Increasing GA and a very bloated employee base. Who f’n is running this joint ?!?!?
@1xws+174RpTsQ Oxy has been a mess for years, its only really come out into the open for the world to see since the great merger fiasco.
There has been a culture of nepotism, cronyism and not rocking the boat for years. While the $$$ was coming in, Oxy could throw money to keep people somewhat quiet.
Funny how toxic oxy became in 1 year. I wonder what happened? They say, until it hits your pockets, noone really cares. I can see why VH and board dgaf about you worker bees. Oil on its way back down, shocking to see oxy touched $10 again. Opps you didn't hear that.
@wcn+174RpTsQ hahahahahaha. If oxy knew who was working and who wasn't and acted on it, the entire IT department would have been fired years ago.
Not only do they not know, they don't care.
This thread has been very helpful.
An LOXY employee lecturing LAPC employees on right and wrong in the post below!!?
That's priceless.
Dear Demotivated LAPC: what are you going to tell your next employer you were doing during the last year you worked here? Watching Netflix is a broad skill these days within LAPC!
Fine if you retire, your next employer will be your wife and her long list of growing honey-do things for you.
Do just enough to show that you’re dedicated, but don’t over-do it. Make a back-up plan and start cutting personal costs. If they do let you go @OP (which it looks like they are getting ready to by not assigning tasks to you), then it’s best to have a savings to live off. Also start looking into healthcare alternatives. And definitely do the documenting thing.
@OP+174RpTsQ Keep showing that you’re working and send it all over emails. Make sure to BCC your emails to your personal email. Record zoom meetings on your phone. HR is not there for you, they are there for Oxy. This way if they fire you or put you in a PIP, you have cause to take them to court or at least negotiate for a VSP type package.
You could all work 24/7 and will not make any difference. This company has to much debt and short of $75 oil you are screwed. The work you are doing now is keeping you busy but not adding any or little value. Take the company debt and divide by the number of employees and see if you personally could live that that level of debt and what you could possibly do to pay it off. A massive mistake was made with the APC transaction. Work yourself into the ground if it makes you happy or do the minimum if that makes you happy and good luck.
@lec+174RpTsQ True. The other guy’s an annoyed manager who is bad at managing people. Threatening employees only gets you so far. See what that does to your culture. Go read a book or two about how to be a good leader.
Most likely LOXY will be let go (or are on PIPs right now) prior to LAPC. VH has already caused org bureaucracy prior to APC, the ACA just made it more of a cluster eff.
What an individual may or may not do really doesn’t matter. The performance ranking system is so qualitative that it’ll be more of those that have support from upper management that’ll stick around. Just play some charades and you’ll be fine.
@sld+174RpTsQ
Are you serious - How do you think they are going to find the slackers
There are literally hundreds if not thousands doing it
Even the people supposedly working are doing sh– work with no end result - just going through the motions
@sld+174RpTsQ You can probably be fired for cause, so I would not brag about being a bad employee.
I never claimed companies are in the business of any such thing. I simply claimed that Oxy has done such a remarkably terrible job of managing itself and its employees that, in this special circumstance, the employees who are kept on the payroll should feel absolutely zero remorse for being paid, even if they aren't doing much.
And about being spread thin, that would suggest that there are too few employees to handle all of the assets the company manages, which is probably true. I am responsible for an outrageous amount of work, but I do the bare minimum possible because I hate the company and no longer care about its success. I am using company time actively to pursue a career change. I've given this company years of my hard work and devotion, and it does this to all of us in return? F— that. It acts this way because employees will bend over and take it; we shouldn't give the company the impression that we will play along so easily. Good luck operating without technical experts you need to get your product out of the ground and to market.
Companies are not in the business of supplying employees with money for nothing in return. They don’t care if you can’t afford the big house or car or bicycles for your kids. If you are not providing a service or if companies are too fat and the work is spread too thin then they need to cut the wage expense off, period. Furloughs are a good way to compromise.
Are you ripping off Mc Donalds if no one is going to the resturant? Doesnt the business deserve to pay you regardless if you make 1 vs 2000 burgers that day. Sure they can reduce staff to a bare min. But if only one person shows up, you are still overstaffed. Same thing here. If there isn't work, thats not your fault. Innovation and autonomy were lost on Aug 9, 2019. Don't you forget they are the ones that said don't do anything we didn't direct you to do.
You company-defenders are pathetic. None of the employees who are left in this colossal mess are responsible for this sh–storm. It's the company's (i.e. executives) fault for putting the company in such a vulnerable position in the first place. COVID was just the c-gare–e that someone tossed out the window into a very poorly managed, overgrown forest of debt. Employees who are not being tasked with anything or are slacking off because they prefer to either have a task or get back into the office to feel like an actual employee again have nothing to apologize for. As previous posters have said, the company could simply lay these folks off but it chooses not to. For a lot of us, Oxy has wasted a substantial portion of our career enriching the mongoloids at the top. We owe them absolutely nothing in return. They, and all of you calling for our termination for simply collecting a paycheck, can f— all the way off. It wasn't our actions that put us here.
You are just taunting them to put more efforts into finding the slackers so they can bring the hammer down. This needs to be zero tolerance for ripping the company off by not working.
Why do they have to pay
250,000 dollars? For people who are not working then they should be terminated whether LOXY or LAPC. This is an employment at will state. If some are still bound to some id–tic COC then that was a big mistake for the company and very unfair to LOXY.
People here are either delusional or grade A trolls. Why should anyone feel guilty about their workload? A company hired you, another company acquired you and you owe Oxy nothing, but they legally owe you a paycheck each two weeks and they legally owe you CoC for two more years. If they no longer see the value in you or your position they have the resources and ability to terminate you. They choose not too out of incompetence or indifference, or the all more obvious reason, they do not want to pay out $250,000 at a minimum to each remaining staff. So they’d rather keep you here, ignore reality and keep waiting for oil to return to sustainable levels.
Still, if you are going to not work you need to go. No Extraordinary severance and no PIP for some. Just fired.
"I agree. If you are just going to screw off you need to go without any compensation. People had a chance to leave under the "name your price" game, and if you did not leave because you wanted a ton of money then you made the choice to stay"
That statement is not true - Not everyone was offered the choice to leave
Oxy were very selective in that sneaky process
I agree. If you are just going to screw off you need to go without any compensation. People had a chance to leave under the "name your price" game, and if you did not leave because you wanted a ton of money then you made the choice to stay.
They know who is working and who isn’t. People will be rated by the end of the year and problem situations will be taken care of swiftly. Hopefully severance is not paid to the slackers. Just cut them off the system and demand the company property back if they have any. If they don’t give property back then take them to court.
So you do nothing?