Thread regarding Optum layoffs

I'm sorry I worked so hard

Now that I've seen the raise and the bonus, I'm sorry I put in any effort at all, and I've worked for several people. It doesn't matter, it's an important lesson. I think the leadership achieved the opposite effect with raise and bonuses. Instead of being stimulating, I think they will be more demoralizing and demotivating?

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Post ID: @OP+1fwJLRDB

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LOL. Give the employees 3s and 4s and tell them that they mean alot, theyre family, theyre loved, etc,,,etc,,,given them a $40 gift card and a pizza party, then fire them 60 days later.

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Post ID: @Nhpd+1fwJLRDB

I give my employees 3,4,5s and tell them they did a great job, we appreciate them, and like how hard they work. It means a lot to the company. Then we give them a 1.75%
pay increase

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@ @5ddu+1fwJLRDB
Not sure I fully understand. Departments are given pools, typically a % of total pay for a group of direct reports. Ours is a pool of 2% of the total pay of our direct reports. The system suggests a range or percentage based on all kinds of behind the scenes factors we cant see. We are not forced to give each person 2%, but we are forced to stay within the suggestion parameters. So for some people, based on review score etc. it may allow you to go to 3%, 4%, or less depending on if they score lower. IF you give someone 3% of a 2% pool, you must drop someone else’s % to make up for it. So i suppose if you have a team of 5s, then sure, they all get 2%. But when the scores vary, and you try to compensate based on those variances, people start to get more and less than the pool funding percentage. So pretty much for me to give a great employee a sh---y raise, i have to give an okay employee an even shittier one. I struggle with that.

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Post ID: @5jwq+1fwJLRDB

@2nua+1fwJLRDB you aren’t forced to give one of your team members a 2 each year?

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Post ID: @5ddu+1fwJLRDB

Worked at a department of about 10 people run by 2 company girls. They're your stereotypical entitled spoiled "leadership" yes-man clowns that regularly throw tantrums and blame issues on their overworked, underpaid, underbenefitted employees. Super toxic environment where everyone is miserable and walks on eggshells around them as we pay back our debts and feed our kids.

A coworker in another department recently quit and I've been trying to cover her job and mine with very little support or training. They hired someone new (hire cheap/young/use/abuse/repeat), but they expect me to train this person when I barely understand the job myself, super stressful and just typical bad micromanagement.

Today we had a meeting where the boss girl was going nuts and getting herself all worked up, saying we're going a lousy job and yelling for the entire office to hear. Then when she started picking on the new young teammate in my department (who has been has been doing a great job--they hire young/cheap/use/abuse/repeat), she said we'll continue the meeting in 30 minutes so she can cool off. I said no I'm going home for the day and left.

Anyway, I'm done. If/when she contacts me I'll be resigning effective immediately. I'm planning on being polite and brief , no volunteering of info, but other than that, I hope the disgusting for profit health care company hurts. I am so done with see the gobs and gobs of billions in profits, unpaid wages, and the patients get shafted, the employees get dust, and we listen to pep talk propaganda and gas lighting by yes girl bosses, or by the c suite boomers.

I was hoping to have a new job lined up by now but I have enough savings to last over a year and the emotional and financial support of my family should I need it. Good luck to all. However, nothing changes here or at the job. Nothing. Do not believe your bosses, your government, no one. They just want your money, time, and soul/labor. peace

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Post ID: @4zgf+1fwJLRDB

Hit my 10 year anniversary at OptumRx and never worked hard and always received a bonus and annual increase. Use to get lots of Bravo awards also. You must be liked otherwise be smart and get out. The one audit per year wonder.

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Post ID: @3jfv+1fwJLRDB

I’ve never regretted quitting a job. I’ve always found one that pays more and has better benefits. You shouldn’t stay at a job for more than 2 years. Jump around and get those pay raises! Want to get a REAL pay raise --that beats inflation and respect your talents?

Get a new job, and do not listen to anyone in the mainstream or "news"--it's pro-business, pro US propaganda

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Post ID: @3pjd+1fwJLRDB

Psych ops work on most Americans. Just tell them they matter (what does that mean?) , give em a pizza party, and a certificate saying they did a 'good job'. They'll be corporate simps working really "hard" to show "management" their meddle?! "Management" does not care. We're employees. We have no real worker rights. That's the structural realities. Do the minimum, smile, clap, and prepare the bail strategy.

It's like upside down world.

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Post ID: @2czc+1fwJLRDB

Responding @1gqh+1fwJLRDB

I was saying I hate the cr-p raises. I actually always score my people how they should be scored based on performance. I’ve never let that be dictated by anyone above me. BUT, it is terrible to give a 5 on a review, and then a 3% salary increase to that person. However, there is nothing we can do about the pool, or number of employees we are trying to give raises to. So even to do the 3%, we have to pull from someone else’s potential increase. And yes, I care and fight for my team. I am all about doing the right thing, based on performance. So don’t get me wrong, I’m not about “equal” I am about who “earned” it. And when someone that truly earned it can’t be given a fair amount for their work, I struggle with that, greatly.

And perhaps I miss understood, or maybe just coming from the dozens of other posts from various threads, regarding the “just leave” portion. Not assuming positive intent, I suppose. As far as being good, I think I am, and I think my team would agree. I am one that earns respect and trust by working more along side my team, with them and for them. I do agree, everyone should skill up with the intent of getting out. But I also recognize that is much easier said than done. This dumpster fire does get some things right (at least in our area) with work life balance, and for some, that is hard to part with. As for me, I am out. I am waiting for my RRP to hit my account and telling my boss I’m out. It took a few years to find a job that worked for me, my family and what I wanted, but it happened, finally. Not a brag, just a view of it didn’t come quick or easy to get out. BUT, I busted my a-s the entire time, because THAT is how you build a reputation and set yourself up to sell yourself. Other companies want to hear what you did, what you brought, what you helped grow. Not that you were sad about things and deserved more. Yes, you deserve more, when you work for it. So my thing is keep working hard so selling yourself to greener pastures is easy. Telling your accomplishments and victories is easy. And yes, that will also make your manager feel it more when you leave. To the company, you are a number, but to your direct report, you can still “show them” why you mattered.

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Post ID: @2nua+1fwJLRDB

Responding to @1xqq+1fwJLRDB:

Ok, you make a fair point... Maybe not ALL managers are box-checking, bureaucratic yes-men - but many of them are. Not ALL abuse power and push their employees 70+ hours a week every week -- "or else", but most don't care. Not ALL managers only care about themselves, their salary, and sphere of power, but most do... If you're as caring of a manager as you say you are, you're a definite minority. You say you and other managers "feel bad" for giving employees substandard reviews, but what have you done about it? People don't buy the "Sorry for the lackluster review, but... ". Sure, I get in big companies there are "buckets", and your hands are tied, but this 1950's way of running things is garbage and it needs to change - like three generations ago. Staying and suffering is worse than getting out...

Which brings me to my second point... I never said 'just leave' - maybe it came across like that. Instead, I'm encouraging people to skill up, get out there, interview, and move on. Staying around a toxic sh-thole like Optum waiting to be laid off and (maybe) getting a severance just to prove your worth to management that mostly doesn't give a sh-t about you is bad advice. As I said before, your health and well being is more important than getting to thumb your nose at a bunch of sadists who would still replace you just as fast as if you died. Get a plan, skill up if need be, start interviewing and get the f-ck out. If you're as good as you say you are, I'd encourage you to do the same.

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Post ID: @1gqh+1fwJLRDB

Charge employers--send them an invoice-for interviewing with them. Your time incredibly valuable, Ms. Corporate Lady wants an interview--charge them for it.

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Post ID: @1ler+1fwJLRDB

I feel like this company and UHG hangs on a thread to stay in business by buying their way out with mounting lawsuits against them.

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Post ID: @1ron+1fwJLRDB

"And I'd really wish people would stop calling these tools "leaders." If anything they are the antithesis of leadership. They are corporate clown yes-men who are in positions of power who will do anything to save themselves and squeeze as much productivity out of the rank-and-file to pad their own bank account.."

100% correctomundo.

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Post ID: @1oge+1fwJLRDB

This old wine in a new bottle. The corporation does not care about us.. Never had, never will. We are easily replaced, used and abused for US empire profits. All those manufactured "wars"--profits, 2020 disease? -profits, they make $ off of the sick and infirm. That's US capitalism. We are all debtors and lackeys on the open air plantation. The only real "freedom" that we have is to buy stuff on credit, and more stuff that we don't need. Wake up, or let's all stay asleep and watch MSM

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Post ID: @1ran+1fwJLRDB

I 100% agree the raises given to employees were sewage. When you see your best, most successful employee post on social media how disappointed they were, it’s disheartening… but I also agree, it was cr-p. I also 100% agree there are some cr-p managers out there, in all levels, but I hesitate to lump them all. There are some really good ones that truly care and are just as hurt by what they give out as you are to receive. It’s hard to just call ALL of them yesmen, because when given a pool of money, what can they do? The pool is the pool, there is no exceptions or magically getting more money from elsewhere. I put the feeling of giving these raises in the same bucket as letting someone go. I feel hurt and shame, I empathize with the embarrassment or anger the employee may be feeling. It sucks. It’s not easy. And come on, “just leave” is not an option for most people. If not having a job, or any plan to support your family was that simple, then probably wouldn’t be here in the first place, so let’s just stop with that rhetoric all together and be a bit more grounded in our responses as to what people “should” do. That being said, not a bad idea to keep looking, come up with that exit strategy, and move on if you can. Everyone’s situation is different, all you can do is what’s best for you, yours, and you career at the moment, and sometimes it is to be where you are and get more experience… even if it sucks for now. I’ve gotten off topic. The raises are terrible, and as a manager with no pull, I hate it for everyone. It won’t get better, don’t just quit though, that’s stupid. Hang in, plan, still work hard, because no new position or company wants the person who barely contributed. Make a name for yourself, and then when you do leave, show them just why you did matter so much, and let them feel the pain. If you give up and then leave, you’ll just be saving them from laying you off and paying a severance… which would be a favor.

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Post ID: @1xqq+1fwJLRDB

OP, I've been there and done that a dozen times over. Find a better company that treats you right. No company is perfect, but if you're not confident in your skills, take an online course or two, skill up, and get out. Your physical, mental, and emotional well-being demand it. That goes for anyone hanging on to a job here because you are afraid to leave. Don't be. The market is hot in many sectors right now.

And I'd really wish people would stop calling these tools "leaders." If anything they are the antithesis of leadership. They are corporate clown yes-men who are in positions of power who will do anything to save themselves and squeeze as much productivity out of the rank-and-file to pad their own bank accounts. They are weak cowards who use their positions to get what they want -- because they can.

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