If the vaccinated can still get and spread covid (which they can) then why in the OSHA mandate are the unvaccinated the only ones who have to wear masks and test weekly?
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Starbucks is way overrated. Why pay Starbucks prices when you can make a cup of Folgers at home or get gas station and fast food coffee if you are driving in your car.
Glad to see Starbucks scrap the vaccine mandate they previously put in place!!!
“Covid is not an individual concern.”? Are you h!gh? You might just be an unimportant interchangeable gear in the machine, but the rest of us are individuals.
@6caf+, you should no better than to make a well thought argument against the mob groupthink on this site. Most here see this as a safe place for complainers and malcontents and not a place for debate. While I applaud your attempt and agree with your argument against taking insurance away from folks that choose to not get vaccinated, some here are so frightened and angry, they can’t hear it.
You fricking id--t. Covid is a public health issue that needs everyone to do their best to solve the problem. It is NOT an individual concern. It is not in the same category as the other things you mentioned. Why are the mo--ns like you allowed to access the internet.
OK,
No vaccine - no treatment for Covid
Abuse alcohol - no treatment for liver disease
Overweight - no treatment for heart problems or diabetes
Poor dental hygiene - no cavities filled
Too many “intimate” partners - no treatment for STDs.
Too much rock & roll - no hearing aids
Basically, if your decisions or actions contribute to your ailment, as @5msi+ says, Your Problem. Do people like that really think about what they are suggesting? What an idi-tic thing to suggest. Don’t you know that the rules you want to enforce against people today will be used against you tomorrow?
Fair enough:
Your body, your choice!
But then
Your medical bills, Your problem!
The unvaccinated are taking the economies of the US and the world down. These people are too stupid to understand the big picture of what they are doing.
We all get on here and complain about masks, vaccines, etc. But the true bottomline is we have a majority of people that want to Work From Home whether Covid or not. I am also pretty sure many like it to save money on childcare, gas, cleaning expenses, and on and on. I like working from home as well, and I would be willing to give up a percentage of salary and bonus if needed to stay WFH. Everyone needs to be honest in the fact many use Covid as a way to WFH. It is not a bad thing, but the truth. For now Oxy is doing the right thing, but one day people are going to have to make a choice to come back, or just find something else to do for a living. It does no good to go after unvaccinated co-workers when many still would want to WFH even if all the unvaccinated were gone or if everyone were vaccinated.
Is your point that Texas state management people are a bunch of ignorant fools. I agree.
Um, I’m assuming most realize schools have been open here in Texas for the last year plus and kids and teachers have been going to school without mask and not all being vaccinated, right???
You can keep living without the vaccine but Oxy still has the right and duty to terminate you. If they don’t they are spineless.
Great job SCOTUS.
To all of those that were coerced into taking the vaccine for employment by OXY management, I’m truly sorry.
I never will. I’d rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.
If your an arrogant ceo and you’ve dug a financial ho-e then you have to find all kinds of ways out. Eliminate people is a great start. You’ve exercised all your options to fire\retire\expire people without trying to look like an as----e. Now the boss baby has a new scapegoat, vaccinate or terminate. They’ll patiently await your defilement of “policy” and remove your cost from the over burdened books.
Argue over the right to or not to vaccinate, it doesn’t matter.
My body, my choice!
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I agree. Free to work for a corporation like Oxy or get fired. Your choice.
I'm glad the mandate got shot down. this is free country. Free to get the shot or not get the shot. it's a personal decision and should be treated as such. I remain happily unvaccinated.
Today is a great day!
:))
Look what corporate America did with the work from home. Corporations will do whatever is most popular with the workforce and it looks like vaccine requirements are most popular. Get ready to roll up your sleeves and get the jab if you want to work for big oil or even Oxy.
"Companies" can still make being fully vaccinated a requirement of employment. The Biden mandate was unconstitutional, but now companies can't hide behind an OSHA-enforced mandate if they secretly wanted it. Now they'll need to make their own decisions.
SCOTUS is way off on this one. There are companies that will allow the spread of COVID all over their place of business with sloppy practices. Companies are going to hate this ruling because there is no standard for protection.
I am so glad SCOTUS still allows for us to make out own choices. I made mine and got vaccinated and the booster, but for all unvaccinated they are Americans as well and deserve the same choice to get the shot or not just like the vaccinated. I like what the Colorado governor said about the whole mandate, and that is if you are unvaccinated and get Covid that is on you, and that is how it should be.
Voted down today by SCOTUS
It is about time for a division. The best division would be to throw the unvaccinated out of the company with little notice. They can be replaced.
Way to create staff division. You're effectively placing a scarlet letter on the "face" of every employee that does not have the vaccine
Maybe logic and sanity is finally prevailing…..Athletes who had COVID will be considered ‘fully vaccinated,’ NCAA says in new guidelines.
I say no bonus for the unvaccinated lot irrespective of the position they hold.
Also, if you haven't yet, read the policy. It doesn't specifically state but strongly suggests that unvaccinated may loose the right to 9/80 or the BWP. It also states that you can't self test and report. The test has to be observed by an official at work or a teledoctor.
Test everyone or no one. Vaccinated and boosted people are getting sick and spreading it. Is the point of “vaccinate or test” to limit the virus coming into the workplace?
That would have worked if the vaccine worked at stopping infection/transmission. The government/companies should figure out a different reward. This one is going to enable a lot of virus spread.
Too all at Oxy that have suffered due to Covid - rot. You asked for karma and you got it. Don't cry when it comes back around on to you.
Why would the field people not get the vaccine? Are they really that stupid? We should only hire smart people. I say get rid of them and hire new people. They can be replaced.
The new policy is basically the same as before. Only real difference is that field personnel test weekly - no big deal. Don't forget that it's the field guys that butter your bread and a lot of them would be gone if the vaccine were mandated.
Why should unvaccinated people not have the right to employment?
Unvaccinated does not mean infected.
I’m very concerned about your eagerness to segregate society based on whether or not a person got a shot that:
- Really only impacts yourself, by potentially having reduced symptoms.
- Wears off over a time period of 6 to 8 months.
Have you not read any history books? How quickly some seem to forget that creating classes of citizens divided by either race, s-x, or religious views has never been the answer. And has usually been rooted in fear that has been exaggerated.
Given where hospitalizations are today, I think they will delay the return to the office date.
Because the govt wants to give the vaccinated a little something for being vaccinated. I agree with the OP and I am vaccinated, and everyone should wear a mask and test at least weekly until we are out of this cr-p. The vaccine turns out not to be a cure, but a good way to keep from getting too sick and staying out of the hospital. That in itself is the reason I got vaccinated and the booster. I want to protect myself as I can, and those around me since I can still spread Covid. I will wear mask if required, but because I am the one making the decision and not the govt. Once the govt got involved the vaccine became a harder sale, and they continue to put out advice that confuses everyone.
I think Oxy has it right as they require being vaccinated, and if not testing, plus all wearing a mask. So what OSHA put out we already are doing. I wish the mask thing would go away because I think all these makeshift masks do nothing.
Mass Formation Psychosis has hit many on this board. Supreme Court to rule shortly.
People can be diverse and make their own decisions. If they chose to not vaccinate then they can stay at home and NOT work for the company. After they are terminated and if they get vaccinated they can apply for reemployment and compete with the masses if they have been recommended for rehire. If they are not recommended then they can kiss their career at Oxy goodbye.
Like it or not, our company insurance is a risk pool. This groups generally healthier younger employees with older employees that tend to have more health issues. The combination of that is part of the equation of how much the company pays for our insurance plans (and by extension the amount we pay).
You can bet part of the equation was the number of vaccinated individuals throughout the company. Regardless of your thoughts on the vaccine, individuals that are vaccinated and contract COVID have less severe cases. This means nowhere near as many end up in the hospital racking up significant cost for the usage of those hospital resources.
In the end, if that risk pool is costing the insurance company a lot more money...you can bet they are asking for more from the company. By extension, your monthly contribution increases as well.
This isn't anything new. Also, this is why they offer programs to stop smoking, subsidize gym memberships, and promote health and wellness tools. The healthier people are...the less we ALL pay.
@1jat Respectfully, do you have an example that supports your claim that there is no better way to stop covid then to get the vaccine? All I see is fully vaccinated cruise ships, universities, cities with extreme vaccine and mask mandates all having outbreaks of cases. One would think if these measures made a difference the data would be glaringly evident. Praying for you to find peace and kindness in your heart for people that make different decisions than you.
It doesn’t make sense. It also doesn’t make sense that @1oal would make comments that unvaccinated should lose company health insurance. What many people seem to be forgetting is that medical decisions are not one size fits all. If an unvaccinated person has a .13% chance of developing severe Covid. Cutting that risk by 95% (to .004%) by taking the vaccine, the benefit of the vaccine is hardly quantifiable. There are people that have a higher risk of hospitalization or death, that the vaccine absolutely does make sense for them, and many that it does not.
If Oxy prides itself on diversity - diversity of medical decisions should be respected too.
And yes those are the real risk numbers from Pfizer’s vaccine study. Relative risk is used in marketing/sales all the time to make small numbers seem more impactful. As does the saying, “has a 10 times the chance of”. When all the while the the numbers being compared are VERY low.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.full-text