Commute, office politics, open door policy, good ole boy club. What is there to like?
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You are looking out for your best interest as a micromanager who feels like he has lost power over the past few years. As more people quit for more flexible jobs, hopefully you will begin to get it.
We are all just looking out for your best interests by requiring that you work from the office. It is like how you treat a child when they don’t know what’s good for them.
Damn the post below said it so freaking well. Well done!
@1tgd+1fpNfU58 "If Covid had never came around we all would have kept a regular 9/80, and no oner [one] would of [have] complained."
But that's the point. COVID * did * happen and it changed the equation. Sorry the applecart's been turned over.
Previously, the management of any company could brush off the suggestion of WFH with unfounded statements regarding a loss of productivity and the ever-favorite corporate-speak word - "collaboration". Employees who just spent 1-2 years under that model now see that management's claims were incorrect. Those same employees will then need to decide whether those incorrect claims were due to ignorance or a flat-out lie in an attempt to keep the workforce ignorant of the data.
The point is this - questions of why management, in direct contradiction to all data available, would demand a return to the old WFO model are now present in people's heads. Will it be enough to cause a lot of talented people to leave to the point that it affects the quality of outcomes? Only time will tell.
I just get tired of the "Before COVID" yapping. It happened. Employees know the truth about WFH. Deal with it.
Finally a mature professional posts in favor of work in the office!
I’m looking forward to it. I actually enjoy meeting with my coworkers and conversing in person.
You need to normalize results for the effect of oil prices.
Hopefully a lot of people will quit and cost the company money and experience for this move, forcing people back when we did our jobs effectively with record profits for the company last year. This is all about control from management.
You can work from home full time but it will not be on Oxy business. You will be fired if you want to stay at home every day. Sorry.
Posted by @1zra+1fpNfU58
Millennials? They talk a good game, but are entitled cry babies. Trust me, we can live without you, Gen X and Z more than make up for their slacker attitude.
So Gen X here and full time work from home is my goal and most of my gen X friends have already accomplished it or are seeking it out. Gen Zs still in school were and will be schooled from home from now on if they prefer it because of much easier access to it. This only reinforces future WFH and they WILL seek out WFH as a requirement. I also know boomers who prefer full time work from home and want it to continue full time. You are only sad because you have been all alone in your precious corporate office with no one to irritate, interrupt and cause inefficiencies that prevent others from doing their job. While most of us have been very happy working from home in our pjs.
The pot shots here about generations really are no better than racism. Remember everyone sucks.
If you don't get LTI, you are not important.
@2zmy+1fpNfU58 Keep dreaming in lala land
Here we go again. People stating with certainty that “the world has changed”. There is no one, not even executives, that cannot be replaced. Go ahead and quit and there will be 10 applicants ready to take your job, and they will do it from home or at the office. There has been no change in the allocation of power between employer and employee and there has been no large exit from any other energy company related to ending WFH regardless of what your friends tell you. The so called great resignation has nothing to do with ending WFH. Provide some proof if you think otherwise. Your wanting it doesn’t make it true.
What do people have against returning to the office. Returning to the office gives you
- quiet time on the road in your commute away from your job to prepare for your transition to the family.
- Possible acquisition of friendships with people you like.
- . A really nice view of work and the road taken when you finally retire.
Think about it.
I think you have a point, but at the same time the world has changed since the anadArko deal. A survey done of 10,000 white collar employees showed that 97% said they would quit over returning to the office 5 days a week. The same survey showed that 3 times as many CEOs wanted to get workers back full time to the office (even though they want to keep the remote option for themselves). Clearly the great resignation is going to shake out one way or another but I think workers hold more of the chips this time round. Recruiters have been posting jobs like crazy lately and I don’t see things slowing down in the job market. For CEOs like VH, they will need to adapt to market forces.
Someone said it well below. If you think they care about any of us leaving them dream on. I have seen many good people leave via the VSP and all the Anadarko folks who did not come over. Oxy is still here making money and paying down debt. I would be willing to bet less than a 50 people leave once the bonus is paid out, and most of those probably already have a job. The same thing about mass employee exits are on all the sites.
People are quitting in droves at Chevron I hear bc of the forced return to office. I hear a lot are getting remote jobs in finance, supply chain and data engineering roles with higher salaries so take heart. The boomer below that wants to go to the office probably just knows his wife can’t stand him and wants him out of the house. Please do the company a favor and retire with your dated views, dinosaur.
If you don’t like the office just quit and then start looking for a job. Spouses really like that type of behavior. Your kids will understand too. Not. To those at home you are nothing but a paycheck. Don’t believe me. Just try quitting.
Oh my was this thread just the comedic relief I needed this afternoon. Thank you whoever started it!!!
Don’t you know that “so many talented workers will soon leave for greener pastures”? I mean SOON. it will happen! Just wait for it…. OK now. We’ll then —NOW. It’s happening soon. You’ll see. Here it comes! OK NOW. I’m right, you’ll see. Has to happen soon. Here it is! We’ll maybe NOW. (What’s taking it so long?) I know it’s coming. Is that it? We’ll maybe next year but SOON. I mean it. Stop laughing!
Millennials? They talk a good game, but are entitled cry babies. Trust me, we can live without you, Gen X and Z more than make up for their slacker attitude.
These posts are funny AF. “I don’t want to go into the office, but I also want to earn a $300,000 salary and get LTI”. Maybe if you get back to work in the office you will get LTI and a $300,000 salary. Or you could to the mystical, magical tech industry and fact check tweets for accuracy.
Middle-aged, and we have proven wfh can work. Going into the office feels like detention since it only occasionally drives value. For the occasional value add, as needed work spaces should be available but most office space should be divested. As was said before, WFH could be a huge recruitment tool, and Oxy should lead the way. In the meantime, I will be reporting for detention next Tuesday. Bonus was enough to keep me around.
So on what day should management start shaking in their boots over the mass exodus of people. Is it next week some time? As an alternative why don’t you all all schedule a sit-in outside the elevators and stairwells. You could call your group “Employees for a Work From Home Society”.
@1xgm+1fpNfU58 Sounds like you need to start a union. I have never seen so much whining about going to work 3 days a week. If tech is hiring and paying the same it is a free country for now, so please go to tech. Oxy let us WFH all during the pandemic and now that they want us back those 3 days a week and all the complaining starts. If Covid had never came around we all would have kept a regular 9/80, and no oner would of complained. Face it you just don't want to come into the office. You control that by leaving, because Oxy is not going to give in to your whiny little a-s.
To the poster below, not every employee can get a 300k salary. Most won’t get close to this at oxy. Which is why so many talented workers will soon leave for greener pastures like the tech industry that now pays better than oil and gas and they won’t have to deal with industry instability and an anti wfh mindset passed down by boomers. Oil and gas is screwed if you look more than 5 years out with the way things are going. Most people I know in my group are already looking to leave as soon as bonuses are paid out. The future looks bleak inside this industry and when we are forced to return to the office unnecessarily it just adds gas to the fire. Execs will finally get it when attrition speeds up.
Dear clueless,
If you are not highly paid then you are not valued and can be replaced very easily. Don’t take it personally. It is just the role that you are in and your relatively low skill set from a business point of view.
I do, I am just so used to my routine at home. Not sure who all qualifies for LTI anyone know?
@inlr - you are a racist
You are acting like the average employee at oxy gets LTI and a fat salary. I’ve been at the company for over almost years and despite several promotions I still don’t get LTI and my salary is near 100k. There are a lot of more flexible industries pay very similar to this amount. You are completely wrong, people will leave in droves once bonuses are paid out. It’s only the middle aged white men that want to be in the office. Hopefully their archaic way of thinking will end soon for the industry or it will face huge recruitment challenges.
@1ncu the exact archaic mindset referenced in an earlier post
Generally speaking people will not quit over going back to office work 4.5 days a week. They will not give up a salary of 100 to 300 k per year plus bonus and LTI. You cannot replace this type of compensation easily. Now if all companies remove the work from home then you have no better place to go. So just admit you have no power.
One day a week would be so much more efficient.
CVX ee here... we're never going to have full-time WFH no matter what you read on our CVX board. Mike Wirth has been pining to drag our as--s back to the office for a year, even though we just recorded the highest profit in 8 years. An archaic business with an archaic way of thinking that'll push millennials who demand flexibility elsewhere. C-suite doesn't care, but wonder how fast their tune will change as resignations ramp up in the coming months.
Rumor is chevron is going to allow full time wfh. Wonder what implications this will have as far as a ripple effect on the industry.
Yes why go back we have worked from home effectively for two years!
You all should be back five days a week with no 9/80. Then on top of that you should be forced to go on two week business trips out of town without any additional monetary compensation or comp time. That would toughen up you spoiled people.
Poor Zoomers. Having to work and act like adults instead of half baking their way through the work day in their jim-jams and clutching their teddy bears. Ohh, poor safe space dependent youth!
Not really. Three days a week is fine and just need to get up earlier, grab a coffee and head in.