Thread regarding Boeing Co. layoffs

For a long-term career, you’re better off working for another company or you will get some actual engineering experience. Boeing outsources so much of the engineering probably not gonna get a lot of experience. That’ll be worthwhile for long-term career.

To be even more frank you’re probably better off working for a supplier where you’ll get your hands on some actual engineering work. Boeing tried to hand off almost the entire engineering package to the suppliers.

@1uvk The entire panel for every interview was white with one token Asian.

I’m pretty sure the makeup of the panel and the races of the people involved played no part in the final decision. I made it clear that the pay was not satisfactory and that Alabama was not my dream destination. My guess is they finally found someone d-mb/desperate enough to take the job because I haven’t heard from your recruiters for a while.

Like I said before, it’s all good. Getting flown out to site to do a hot-fire test on a LRE for $180k/year + bonus seems to me like a better deal than anything Boeing would ever do. You do you, I’ll do me, and Boeing can do Boeing. Try to avoid the 737 when you book your next flight 🤣🤣🤣

A collective illusion is a situation where most people in a group go along with an idea that they don't agree with, simply because they incorrectly believe that most people in the group agree with it. The majority of people in a group believe the majority thinks something that they don't.

The lean programs are destroying companies and people. It is nothing but a Collective illusion.

@1czw Well, I’m not doxxing myself, so make of my reply what you will. You asked, I answered.

As far as I can tell, all I missed was being overworked for below market pay in a lousy location. We’ll call me not getting the job a win-win for me and for Boeing. Deal?

@1uvk You feel oppressed? I don’t. I’m also pretty sure that DEI isn’t making your planes fall apart in mid-air. Stay mad.

The most common reason for rejecting an applicant is their skin color or their gender.

The CEO made some ridiculous comments about increasing black employment, as if that was the key to building and designing a better airplane.

How about hiring the best person available regardless of skin, color or gender?

@1hkp

You talk in circles, mostly vague buzz words in what you actually do either in your current job or in your previous jobs. I am sure Boeing managers that interviewed you felt the same.

Boeing doesn't seem to have facilities in right leaning cities in Red States. Yes, Boeing has a site, the former McDonnell Douglas facility in St Louis Missouri, but the St Louis area votes majority Democrat. Does Cori Bush or the St Louis Mayor's party ring a bell?? The Boeing sites in Florida, I don't think those areas are heavy republican voters either. Boeing in Arizona? Well, Arizona voters voted for a Democrat Governor.

You say you work for a private firm in the space industry. Jobs in the Space industry especially a private company don't offer much if any job security. The potential for failure in space industry related companies is extremely high and could easily put a company out of business. Also requires loads of cash for entry and ongoing company operations. Lockheed's Space Division, a big player recently announced layoffs. Space industry companies especially privately owned are almost always sweat shop type of jobs. Talk to anybody that has worked for Jeff Benzo's Blue Origin. Long hours, tons of stress and extremely tight schedules. People leave those jobs all the time due to burn out or not willing to work 50-60 + hours week after week.

@wuc I had a decade of specialized, documented, verifiable experience in the exact field of engineering I was interviewed for. This includes post-baccalaureate qualifications, publications, and key positions in relevant professional technical societies. All that in addition to having done the same type of work for two other F5+ companies.

Seems like it came down to compensation and location. I wasn’t going to move to some weird red-state and do senior level engineering work for junior level engineer pay ($98k? Really? DaFuq?)

It’s all good, I’m working for a large private space company now (ironically) with a lot of X-Boeing people. And unlike you guys, our stuff doesn’t fall apart when there’s a bunch of people inside. Pay is better too.

@tzw Or at least performed an equivalent static load analysis on the bolts/brackets that would have accounted for max dynamic load. It may have taken a day at most to run the analysis and check it.

I hope it’s worth what they saved in labor costs. We need to take a blowtorch to this “ultra-lean” and agile BS. It’s destroying companies and putting people in danger.

Poetic Justice guy

So what did you bring to the table during your interviews with Boeing? Don't sound like you even got in the door.

A lot of older guys, worked hard to become good at their job at Boeing. Then where forced out by Boeing's unwritten rules to force out older experienced guys or young Boeing managers who think they know everything tried everything they could to marginalize the older guys in their group with the most experience.

Big question for you, do tell. If you ever accepted a job at Boeing could you have hit the ground running on your first day?

I sure can and a lot of other older guys forced out the door could too.

I think you mean incarceration... anyhow knowing how to do a proper bolted joint calc, and maybe checking it against your vibes data in a fixture MIGHT have cost a little more, adding in the inspection check might have slowed the line down a few minutes... Meh, sometimes we re-learn stuff the old school folks insisted on. Should maybe have listened to some of that old school stuff. Well re-learning is expensive isn't it?

forty years incarnation is the only justice this board of scսm deserve