We received the announcement today that starting October 1st, everyone in a non-remote position is expected to return to office. What are your thoughts? I personally am not happy with this because ever since the pandemic, I’ve acclimated to a remote worker lifestyle (ex. having the flexibility of stepping away from my desk for 20 min as I pick up the kids after school in the afternoon). Going back to the office is going to be a big change for me. Not really looking forward to it. Hope we have the option to work hybrid.
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my apology here: @OP+1iNLMBPD - sorry, guys
obviously they want Attrition, attrition = less severance.
[Please consult your local union and or workers council in regards to return to office.
Don't except a email as a command and check your vested rights and other local laws.]
Lol, this isn't a thing in the US. At all.
Please consult your local union and or workers council in regards to return to office.
Don't except a email as a command and check your vested rights and other local laws.
Still thinking that you can demand to work from home?
Keep thinking... and thinking. You'll have lots of time to think.
Unless you are an absolute rockstar (I only know of a handful in the whole company), your capricious demands to work from home will not be heard.
Yes, there are always exceptions, and some people who need to work from home for very good reasons. Could be health, life-balance, child or elder care, could be some form of community involvement that requires flexible time during your day. And those people understand and generally accept that there is a trade off that comes with it- lower salary growth, fewer promotions, maybe the not-so-plum projects. And they are OK with that because the reasons for them to choose this work style are important for them.
But if you are insisting on working from home, not driving in often or traveling to where the teams are and still expecting to have the best salary package, and the fastest promotions and the best projects, you better be a certified genius who repeatedly delivers results that are far and far ahead of your average peer, whether its software, sales, marketing or whatever you do.
If you are so, kudos to you and keep demanding. If not...
2010 called and wants its CEO back
Remember folks, everything tk does is data driven /s
Excited!!
TK has a 2 year contract . . Then he cashes out .
Citrix’s LinkedIn post from earlier today. “Where are you working from?” LOL
Today’s RTO announcement was vague and our senior leaders received it at the same time we did. They said TK is 100% all in on RTO and it will be communicated immediately after 10/1. For people hired remote who aren’t classified as remote, they’ll likely have option to relocate or resign. For those who moved, they will be asked to return or resign. Minimum three days/week to start, goal is five days per week by end of 1Q23.
AWS is so far behind Citrix it's not even funny.
Yeah, its's pretty obvious that it's impossible to find 20 people who are completely on board with what's happening and come here to downvote the complaints. It's not possible that a company preparing to lay off a LOT of people has so many supporters monitoring an obscure message board. Shows you what kind of garbage is now in charge.
TK and TG sitting there with multiple incognito mode tabs downvoting everything multiple times.
Pretty sure there are senior management monitoring this thread rn. They just down voted everything. This thread is probably getting deleted soon, and this is the only place where Citrix employees can give their honest opinions and insights.
That’s the problem with this company. Just like the announcement yesterday. ELT don’t want hear what people have been around 5+ / 10+ years have to say. Total dictatorship and no transparency which is exactly the opposite of what TK promised during GEM.
From the email yesterday, TK and ELT are clear that they thought about cutting your base salary and benefits when Citrix compensation is already way below the industry standard. No employees can perform and create value for a company when they are constantly stressed out about layoff or salary/policy change. This is true whether if you are remote or not.
Or one saddo downvoting every comment 20 times.
Seems like a gang of ~20 people have downvoted every single comment in this thread (even the ones that are pro rto). Hmmmmm, dodgy.
It's impossible to get back to what we were doing almost 3 years ago, people are now way d-mber, just look at how they drive.
Hmm, why do we need even more ideas from employees if they are stiffled, disfigured and ki---d in management chain? On the other hand, we have fresh examples of microapps and workspace. How much was spent on those? Even a person with moderate industry experience and half a brain could tell early on they stunk. All this leads to frustration, attrition or attempts to game the system for personal gain
Someone remind me: why did we go remote in the first place? That's right, fear of the virus -- after all these vaxxes and boosters, that didn't change, did it? People still wear their silly masks in their cars and are still afraid to go back to the office because they would be "exposed". Keep finding other excuses, though, it's entertaining.
Why would Krause mandate a return-to-office and expect total compliance? Because he knows anyone that chose to stay at Citrix is not in a position to resist his demands.
Think about it. If you were Krause, would you care what the remaining people at Citrix say about the working conditions? While you wait for Krause to eliminate your job, don't bother complaining. He doesn't care, and neither do the new PE owners of the combined company. Grow up, and move past the denial of where you are now employed.
AWS announced yesterday that they have no plans for RTO. They intend to keep people remote when possible.
Citrix underperformed for years. This is not due to lack of collaboration, communication and such, whether in office or remote. Citrix is full of talkers who don't know how to get things done, especially get things done right. These people occupy majority of managerial positions. Promotions and hiring routinely advanced loud, "visible" individuals, not experts and top performers. RTO in the name of improving synergy misses target by a mile. Instead bring right people to right roles, let them do what they are good at. Yes, it is far more difficult, slower process, but benefits are tremendous
"I was hoping the plan was to sell us off to one of the big three Cloud companies as the Enterprise DaaS solution".. Keep wishing.
Why would any cloud buy Citrix? DaaS is completely dependent on Azure so AWS and GCP are on their last leg for DaaS. GCP is instead driving the browser to replace VDI/DaaS. And AWS is happy to milk the Workspace while it is making money with all new SaaS coming on board.
I am seeing many move to AVD as they decommission their on-prem Citrix XD. MSFT has made it really easy and includes much of the licenses in their Microsoft 365 packages. And if they need an extra dose of management, products like Nerdio fill the gap.
Yes, it still will be awhile until the last customer turns off the Citrix lights. So, Kraus's game is to cut costs and milk milk milk.. Because...
The part that you all need to see is that Elliott and Vista are vastly overpaying. This transaction would be more like $10B today. So, they will need to goose up profitability even more to make up the valuation gap as they look to tear up the company and sell off its pieces to some form of a Broadcom that will bundle these up into all-you-can use packages.
For those of you who are insisting on all remote work... Remember that if you can work remote from your office in the US, so can the guy or gal sitting in Prague, Bangalore or the next favorite low cost destination. You still cost 3-5X more than those places so every push you make will add to the top reasons why Ft. Lauderdale should lose people. Not everyone, but those who are doing routine work, will move faster.
And yes, I am picking on Ft. Lauderdale. Silicon Valley is already starting to go back to the office. All big players are calling people back in because they can measure the loss of productivity and innovation. If Google knows your every move, they know every move of their developers even more. And they are one of the loudest in asking people to return. Apple is asking, Meta is asking and so are many others.
Your power of innovation is by being close to the market and by innovating faster. Otherwise, just like much of manufacturing going to China, your software jobs, some of which has already moved, will again move. And innovation is not just staying on Teams or Slack, its white boarding, its having lively discussions face to face, its running into a sales person who is in the building for an EBC, its seeing the not-so-obvious. That's the part the pajama crowd just does not grok, at their own peril.
This does not mean you go every day. Just go in 3 days- that will give you a leg up.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Krause has not lied. He just doesn't care about existing culture. He is coming in day 1 and everything will be the way he wants and nothing else. No more slow change that takes years to get the company where he wants it. Conform or leave.
At this point, assume that ANYTHING Krause tells you is an outright lie.
Maybe phase one is to get folks who want to remote work to quit.
Then phase two is a u turn: all offices closing, remote work mandated (more folks quit, less real estate costs).
Of course, you could just "quiet quit"....
I look forward to watching the spin-doctoring of executives who tout this mandate and tell people that, in order to be productive, compliance with this new rule is required. What they're basically saying is, "You know that job you just did remotely for 2+ (in some cases, 3+) years? We don't think you can do it remotely." #LivingUnderARock
I'm stuck somewhere between "this is just another nail in the coffin of the old Citrix" and "it's not so bad - they're going to pay you to drive to/from work and listen to music instead of walking down the stairs or down the hallway and right to your home office."
And you believe the email??
Email said they want rto for synergy, alignment, synchronicity, paradigm shifting and momentum reversal.
This is a device to get people to resign. The more people that resign, the less there will be around to layoff and provide a severance package.
The next phase of this tactic will be the “transition package.” This will be a delayed method of severance to skirt the standard Citrix package of 2 weeks per year — which (contractually) expires on Dec 31st. After that, everyone becomes more affordable to cut.
Here’s the larger message: this is the new company. Sniveling, penny pinching no talents that are brought in to wring out the last bit of value left in this old dinosaur. But give them credit — they are shameless robots that have no problem robbing devoted employees out of a fraction of the rewards that the Wrecking Crew was awarded for tearing the company to shreds. Stellar.
And this is for those of you still in denial — grow up. It’s capitalism. This is reality. They. Do. Not. Care. About. You. They only care about the bottom line. Fight back by accepting the truth. It’s over. Everything you knew as Citrix, or a “Citrite,” is in the past. Move on, or buckle up for a vastly different existence in your 9-5 life.
Yahoo did this back in 2013. Worked wonders for them.
Pretty obvious they want you to leave.
The real issue with return to office is all our team members are spread out geographically. Going into the office will impact collaboration with our direct team members. We would need to re-org to local only and remote only teams.
There will be two kinds of tech companies in the future. The ones competing for talent with all the Silicon Valley companies who have realized what a huge savings it is to hire remote workers and perpetuate the trend indefinitely, and the small few who stay stuck in the past.
Everybody here saying that people are home on the couch slacking off with no pants needs to seriously question whether they're the ones doing too little and being so out of touch.
Even if this is the right decision, which it absolutely is not, this was a stupid way to announce it unless the goal was to increase attrition.
By the way, the RTO decision was the cherry on top. The big news in that e-mail is that they considered cutting your salary and instead decided to do you a favor and keep you flat at your 2021 salary.
I was hoping the plan was to sell us off to one of the big three Cloud companies as the Enterprise DaaS solution. The structure of the new ELT gave me hope. The abrupt RTO announcement makes me believe the “cut costs and milk captive customers” guy/gal is probably correct unless they carve out an exception for engineering.
As long as you remember that all the talk about hiring and retaining best talent, growing, investing and innovating is exactly that - talk. Real objective is to cut costs to bare minimum and milk captive customer base as long as possible. From this perspective their plans are sensible
To the replies that say “back to what you used to do!” And “everyone is too used to remote work!”
My counter is:
“Ok boomer.”
Just don’t go back.