So with upcoming site closure at Dell, personnel told to wfh. Wfh written policy states, not promotable, and no internal job transfers unless you go back to office, and vulnerable during WFR. So is Dell going to update this policy, or are all closing site personnel to expected to be short listed for more RIFs????
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@197 you realize that even onsite employees need SVP & ELT approval for any promotion, right?
@1pg Just have them relocate to RR.
@1n2 you would be taking the heart out of the beast if you did that. The areas that are making money are in Hopkinton,
@195 They should shut down Hopkinton. No reason to have that. Plus, it’s in the middle of nowhere.
@195 Dell Office Closure FAQs
Team Member FAQs
Q6: Now that I am a remote team member what considerations will apply in respect of career development and movement?
Remote team members are not eligible for promotion/progression through the annual pay planning process without SVP, ELT and COO approval.
Remote team members will be given the same chance to apply for positions and promotions as onsite team members, but career movement through internal requisitions requires you to work at a Dell office five days a week as all future roles will be hired to a specific Dell office and will no longer be offered as remote.
Onsite team members are likely to have an advantage in organizational planning exercises.
@158 Round Rock, Durham NC, Hopkington and OKC. The rest are all leased in the US.
Formal email announcement of the MN buildings went out yesterday for permanent WFH/site closure. Rumors in the office that Cherrywood Ireland is next on the list for upcoming lease expiration
@em Exactly! My manager - before sr.managers were demoted, anyways - was forced to be remote as they closed the office near him. Now he has no chance of moving up again.
@OP EMC facilities sold since Dell acquisition
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21 Coslin Drive, Southborough/ Westborough
Office
166,000 sq ft
Jan. 30, 2025
$6.9 million
Atlantic Management Corp.,
Framingham
32 Coslin Drive, Southborough
Office
193,680 sq ft
Dec. 4, 2024
$26.1 million
Atlantic Management Corp.,
Framingham
42 South St., Hopkinton
Office
129,520 sq ft
June 13, 2024
$4.2 million
GEM Realty Capital, Chicago
117 South St., Hopkinton
R&D
59,886 sq ft
April 5, 2024
$4.2 million
Rhino Capital Advisors, Boston
55 Constituion Blvd., Franklin
Office
204,014 sq ft
Feb. 16, 2024
$6.4 million
Northbridge Partners, Wakefield
31 Maple St., Milford
Office
51,749 sq ft
Jan. 26, 2022
$1.7 million
Calare Properties, Framingham
52 South St., Hopkinton
R&D
149,993 sq ft
Dec. 9, 2021
$20.5 million
DRA Advisors, New York
3400 Computer Drive, Westborough
Office
85,808 sq ft
Sept. 18, 2019
$12.2 million
Carruth Capital, Westborough
900 West Park Drive, Westborough
Office
192,230 sq ft
Sept. 25, 2015
$21.2 million
eClinicalWorks, Westborough
Careful there, Fella, that doesn't fit very well with the story the Bootlickers want spread. Don't you know it's our fault if Dell decides to hurt us?
More seriously, this is the most believable rumor I've seen so far. Which buildings are owned by Dell?
It’s the 20th, did the announcement go out?
If it’s true that non-Dell owned buildings will be closed, what’s the timeframe?
Every single Dell site that is not owned by Dell is being closed. MN (formally where Compellent was HQ'd) which holds Support for SC, Powerstore, networking, Server OS, Isilon is permantely closing and all employees are going remote. Office attendance remained high (most worked 1/2 or 3/4ths days in office) after RTO was mandated and still the site is being closed.
why don't companies just go back to the policy before covid ever happened. Is it really that hard?
Time is a dimension, future is already written. We can not recall future as it is in high entropy, we are here again only in a position to rediscover…Trust we can swiftly deal with anything as we must have dealt with it before.
Yes, Mrs Bootlicker, I understood his message loud and clear.
They didn't want to go to the office, and now they don't have to! It's a Christmas Miracle!
I'm sorry you wanted so badly to be in the office purring like a kitten under a manager's desk, but there are plenty of corporations that will happily allow you to do that.
And if you really wanted to keep doing it at Dell, you can always relocate to a "real" office!
@ny no where did that person say to ignore RTO -- they said the opposite.
It was because employees ignored RTO that an entire office is being shut down. Work life balance means you come into the office a few times a week. Instead, employees said they would come to office but never did. That is what happened to the Irvine office and everyone is pi---d. Employees stayed at home in their pajamas and did not even try to coffee badge to keep the site around.
@n9 What I meant was the count of actual employees assigned to that office. I think Irvine was sub-200, and every other US Dell office has a larger number than that. Obviously SoCal is a huge metropolitan area.
Damn, that's a good point Mr. Bootlicker, Sir.
You're telling us that if people just ignore the RTO mandate, the company will eventually cave and reward them with a return to full-time remote status?
Everyone take note, we can get our work/life balance back!
All it costs is a bit of nodding seriously and putting on an appropriately grave voice when they crack jokes about "promotions" again.
@a7 People are. Workday will be frozen week of Jan 20th -- a normal part of closing out the end of fiscal year. Any out of band promotions or internal req filling / transfers were processed in the first few weeks of Jan.
The regular annual compensation and review cycle happens in Feb / Mar timeline as in past years.
@a5 Irvine, California office is shutting down, last day Feb 6th. Former home of Avamar (startup) that EMC purchased and now a Dell office. People leaders were notified and told their employees this week. An official email will be sent out on Jan 20th to impacted employees.
I am not a boot li---r, but this was not Dell's fault for closing the office, it was the people who never showed up to the office that did it to themselves. Everyone from directors to senior managers to ICs.
Why should Dell pay rent to landlord (Irvine Company) -- an estimate of ~70k/month -- when on average only ~30 people show up? Site can hold over 100 and half of those employees could not badge in twice a week for a few hours! Multiple hints at all hands were given over the past year to increase badge swipes and yet, people leaders and IC at Irvine did not listen or did not care.
Dell is going to make all employees in Irvine remote -- both employees who showed up everyday and those who did not. All of them will suffer the fate of being a remote employee -- no promotions, raises, job transfers, etc. unless they relocate to a major site. Exceptions can be made, of course, if employees are exceptional but it requires people leaders to get SVP or higher approval. Not an impossible task but everyone up the food chain has to sign off.
Blame all around on Dell and but also employees (Directors, Senior Mangers and ICs) who did this to themselves.
@eh Irvine is not a small metro. It’s greater LA and San Diego. Amazon, Google, and plenty of tech companies have significant offices nearby. Issue with Irvine is that it is in a VHCOL area and the DPS development out of there is losing market share as one of the worst performing, least innovative BUs.
@m4
I'm pretty sure every site except RR is going to close over the next 5 years. I heard it from a very high source - the long term goal of the company is to consolidate everything down to just Michael, Jeff, and a dozen henchmen directing a thousand laptops running Grok which will give marching orders to whatever the cheapest country that can type in something resembling English when a customer pays for the premium "Human Support Package"
This go-round they're closing Irvine, Eden Prairie, Seattle, Boston, and why are you still reading this? Go ask ChatGPT what sites are closing, it probably knows.
Any offices besides Irvine to be closed?
@em Yup, that's the "dell way." My old manager was going to a small satelite office in Texas and they closed that office last year, then they demoted most sr managers to consultants/PM, so now he's stuck as a remote employee with no chance of promotion, will never hold the manager title again - at dell anyways - and likely smaller raises. He has a family and his literal only option is to either accept this dead end job or, move to Austin on his own dime - while moving his kids from their school as well.
@ev In August of 2020 when we were allowed back in to get our stuff from the office I believed that remote work was the way of the future. Even DS told us so.
My wife and I, both Dell employees, decided to make a move. We had a small vacation home in VT in an area that we knew had reliable power and fast Internet connections. We sold our home in Franklin and out vacation home and bought a larger house in that VT town. We had some money left to help our daughter and could pay for her senior year tuition. The rest of the profit went into retirement.
It was a good set up. Just before the RTO my wife was laid off. And I have been fighting the stigma of being ‘remote’ since then. My wife found a new job at a local college. But I feel the pressure. I don’t want to move back to Massachusetts and am looking for a job up here before any ultimatums drop.
They will simply expect you to relocate…
Wow, so after going into the office like they wanted you to...they pull the plug on the office and make you 'remote', and tell you you're no longer eligible for promotions, and if you want to relocate to one of the remaining office, you can pay for it yourself. What a company...
@eg official notices coming out jan20.
@aw not yet but inside Dell does feature a page called Dell office closure faqs that was published in January 2026. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
I could see Irvine closing. It’s the smallest of the US ‘metros’. Wonder if any others will close, Eden Prairie?
If you receive verified information of any of the Dell sites closing, I would really like for you to report it here on this post so that we could all know about it. I have long suspectef that they will be doing this. But of course they won’t be notifying employees in general or the public because that’s gonna make the press cycle and Mikey can’t look bad
It is Easier/less risky to be WFR's via a remote zoom call vs in person at the office. I have been told when sites go, many of the workers go with it.
I had my 1x1 with my "manager" today - technically he was my manager for 5 years up till they did the random "reorg" but he's our PM, I guess?
We talked about this for a little and the office he used to go to was closed last year, so was forced to be full remote. He was "demoted" due to the middle management "reorg" as most sr managers were, and now has zero chance of ever moving up again as he was forced to be full remote and remotes aren't eligible for promotion/internal movement anymore. So essentially he is now at a dead end job unless he picks his family up and moves to Austin. What kind of BS is that?
For the first time in 5 years, he sounded a bit frustrated and sad at the situation Dell FORCED him to be in. He's an amazing manager too and got sp-t-roasted.
Then there is a guy on my team who was hired on 2 years ago as a remote. He is VITAL to our team and the entire department but, he also is stuck in a dead end job as the closest office is 3 hours from him. He's a constultant so he's already fairly high up but still...
Obviously Dell's plan is to get the remoters to quit, though..
@b4 it's not required by law if the company pays severance. A workforce reduction is different than a layoff legally.
The Irvine office closure will be announced next week, but no warn act letters have been sent as required by law if impacting 50+ people.
no site closure has been announced, has it?
@a7 yup, I saw a big IC promotion happen last week
Are people that even go into the office being promoted ?
No sites are closing
What site closure?
They should update the policy to reflect the reality that there are no promotions (there's currently 3 vacant (non managerial) positions above me and no plans to fill them) and we are all vulnerable to WFR as headcount is still way above their goal.