Our company requires 3 days in office, but at my location, I’ve noticed some people come in, stay around 3 hours, and then leave after lunch. Does HR actually track the hours spent on-site—like is there a minimum of 6 hours or something? We have to badge in and out, so I assume they have data on how long people stay. Anyone in HR or someone who’s talked to them know how they track this? How many hours typically count as a full day? Or do they just count it as a day if you badge in and out, no matter how long?
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Fraud is the intentional use of deception, trickery, or misrepresentation to gain an unlawful, unauthorized benefit.
Rules are made by the employer. If an employee doesn’t like it is feee to go.
define "fraud", who makes up these arbitrary rules?
@vq What's notepad spacebar? Keeping a notpad on the keybolard spacebar so you're never shown as away and are recording a keystroke? Wouldn't that be easy enough to tell for any admin looking at the keylogger?
Also, how do you swipe for each other? Go once a week into office and each person going in, makes 3 swipes? Meaning Person A on D1 goes to the turnstile, swipes his own ID, goes inside then comes outside, swipes Person B's ID, then comes back out after sometime and swipes Person C's ID? That way, each person is only going in once a week but appears to be going in 3 times a week?
We are 3 of us in the location and do swipe for each other in turn..so far no issues..for a bank like citi swiping for each other, notepad space bar are common when u don't have a real work and this is no brainer
Guys, this is such a no brainer to me. Regardless of data analytics, bad swipes and all that. When you go into the office just do less. Show that when every goes into the office, in general, less gets done.
What you have right now is this. I see people spend the first hour every day trying to get logged in. Trying to find that one desk to where everything works. Citi implies, the clock starts once you get logged in, so get used to staying in the building longer. Just do less to reset that expectation regardless of deadline. All this should be easy to do actually as we are all goaled with do more with less. Well, this is what it looks like.
@re we do same thing in Canada too. Not sure why people behaving so weirdly. It's known thing here, it's not that we give money, it's just taking turn.
@a9 hopefully, all the tattletales get RIF'd this year. So annoying.
@re if you get caught, that's immediate dismissal for you both, no warning, straight up terminated for cause. And yes, even when you have a zoom background up, we can tell you are not in the office. You ain't really fooling anyone. But you do you....
@re+1
Is lying. They have the same writing style as other such post with the same nonsense. It’s rage baiting, just trying to solicit a response.
@re that’s fraud. You may or not agree, but what you are doing is plain wrong!
My co worker pays me 250 a month to swipe his card....our manager is not at the same location and we all use backgrounds on zoom do they have no idea where we are.
@k5 I too do the same thing, I don’t give a darn anymore. I do enjoy the free beverages, food, & computer use to surf 🏄 the web and watch YouTube videos.
I tell you want…this is the corporate life we all need to embrace. Doing more than the minimum requirements will only give you more work and less job security.
@j8 Reason number 876,353 why HR at Citi is God awful and contributes nothing of consequence
In Irving, the Colwell building main entry/exit does not require a badge swipe to exit. (The gates open automatically). All other Colwell enclosed turnstile exits do require a badged exit and all exits for all other buildings in the campus do require a badged exit. Just thought I would mention that.
For NON-FTE YES! They implemented recently but it is not via badge in and out but network connectivity minus idle times. They track it as working hours that need to match pts.
For employees just badge in but badge out is implemented in other locations.
@OP it was published in 2023 by the news outlets.
“One swipe per person, per day, per location will be captured," the memo said.
@a8 No there isn't. You have to get the Tableu license out of CMP so you as a manager can get a report of your headcount. Managers do not simply get a monthly report.
Bottom line is if you simply show up as you're instructed, do your work and return home at the end of the day you are doing what you're being paid for.
They do track badge-in and badge-out time for tampa. Im in HR, and other people in HR tattle on you if you leave early. In NYC and other locations there is only badge in, and a turnstyle to leave so they have no idea how long you where there
I’m on the northeast but my team is in other states so I have no one to collaborate with so when I go to lunch I switch seats to a better area that is clear by that time but the ppl at my first area think I leave home, they all stare me down when I leave with my stuff and make passive aggressive chatter among themselves. In fact they’re the ones that actually started doing it afterwards.
HR doesn't track anything.
@as - Not correct. The entry/exit doors are what my reports say every time. At sites with entry and exit readers, I see both so if I cared, I could tell how long they are in the building. However, I don't care and never enforce the BS RTO rules and my team knows it. I told them all that if their work quality maintains adequate output, I couldn't care less if it is done at the office or from their coffee table at home or even their RV while camping at the seashore.
You have to assume that someone will be trying to build a kingdom around monitoring anything.
@a2 for consultants only. FTEs dont have timesheets, nor is hr counting computer time
Your idea is ingenious. But the media already coined it as Malicious Compliance.
It's giving employers/managers what they asked for, but in a way that they'll regret what they asked/wished for.
Maybe with soooo many more people RTO-ing, a lack of desks/computers, clogging the toilets and Not flushing, companies may actually roll back RTO.
LOL!
Thank you for your idea! I'll commence NOT flushing at all for Both #1 and #2 immediately!
@af Your idea about NOT Flushing 🚽 is Ingenius !
If Citi or any other company wants RTO, do the bare minimum and do NOT Flush the toilet!
Why exert yourself further?? You're already wasting time, money, petroleum, money for parking and possibly for childcare because of commuting to the office!
Indeed, give Citi cross-functional collaboration! Companies have been spinning and selling RTO with this BullSh!t PR so give them what they want !
ROTFLMFAO!
The RTO report that managers get is based on badge-in swipe only (specifically the swipe on your floor; swipes at the general lobby turnstile do not get counted). On that report there is no measurement metric of how long the employee stayed in office. PTO and sick days automatically count as an “in-office” day. Also as far as I can tell, a badge into any Citi office location counts (on the floor you have access to), even if not your primary workday location.
And if you do not badge in for 30 days, you and your manager get an email from security reminding you your badge will automatically get deactivated after 45 days. For us managers who dont care about RTO and dont look at the RTO report, that’s how we know you havent been going into the office at all. Please dont be that guy that makes me have to tell you to atleast try to keep up appearances.
And for the record, RTO is stupid. I go into the office to sit on zoom calls all day…cuz the rest of my dept and clients sit in offshore locations.
Be sure not to flush. Give your co-workers an opportunity for some cross-functional collaboration!
I come into the office 5 days a week-sometimes, garb the free coffee, eat fellow employees food from the refrigerator in the break room, use the restroom multiple times, sleep through meetings, waste time, hand in assignments late, and leave the office after a few hours. Oh my performance reviews are all excellent.
This is the corporate way!
The badge reports are pretty generic for my team. Mine come from security, not HR. If the people who work for me are getting their work done and not MIA, then I really don't care when or how long they show up. And it is up to me to decide if its an issue or not. The worst thing is there is now a "tattle-tail" culture popping up where the lonely people with no lives outside of work, who come in 5 days a week now, start ratting out their colleagues who may skip out at lunch to catch their kid's school performance or get a jump on traffic leaving the city. Its all a ruse put in place to keep their thumb on your back and make you compliant to the worthless MD above you who is in the Hampton's as we speak.
There is a generic report that goes out to your manager monthly that shows the best three weeks based on your badge tap. So, technically, you can take every fourth week as WFH and be in compliance.
However, it's up to each individual manager to enforce it and they have to enforce it consistently for all their employees to avoid a discrimination lawsuit. I know number of people coming in once every 30 days and their managers haven't said anything.
There's a minimum time in office for it to count as a 'day' but I don't remember now what it is. Also as we've seen they track active computer time and are enforcing that with consultant time sheets.